Explanation of Wide Pen Types

[Leon]

What a trove you found!!

And your bit about the saying concerning rare cards reminds me of another saying concerning auctions...

The most under appreciated bidder is the under bidder. . Great info in this thread and I agree, the OC magazines are a must.

Originally Posted by jsq

the type 4 cards were called cream colored canadian wide pens in the 70's. last fall, for the first time in about 40 years, i was discussing this with a hobby writer. since i described the type 4 set by its 1974 era name - cream colored canadian wide pens - he thought i had gone a bit senile when i mentioned that it had feller, dimaggio, hubbell, etc in the set, and me thinking the american cream colored set of 25 american stars were canadian.

they may have been issued in canada, i do not know. that is what the most advanced collectors identified the type 4 set as in the mid 70's. at that time they WERE called cream colored american r314 wide pens.

since that fall of 2015 conversation i see that now the cream colored canadians refer to the canadian player and detroit only issue from what i gather. this of course represents a different era, different knowlede. in the 70's i was not aware of the canadian issue which had obscure canadian players and some detroit players as i recall.

in 1974 i uncovered, likely, the largest grouping of type 4 r314's ever found. i had 3 complete sets of 25 and some extras. their are currently less then that # on the psa registery now if i read the registry correctly.

the type 4 set of 25 was american players with dimaggio, feller, gehringer, hartnett, appling, king carl, etc in that small set of 25.

dick reuss and many of the MAJOR collectors of the day were extremely excited about this find. dick reuss i bring up as he is mentioned in another recent posting about soaking cards from album pages in a 1970 hobby article. dick hung around with frank nagy as i recall.

the premiums were much more valued then the cards in the card sets ie a r312 premium was way more interesting to the advanced collectors then the 1933 or 1935 goudeys for instance since the advanced collectors all had complete sets (minus typically lajoie) of the card sets but advanced collectors had only a VERY few of the premiums in most cases from the 1930's sets. the premiums are exponentially rarer but also now exponentially less desired from what i have seen on ebay.

that reminds of a saying i used to say quite a bit about rare items:

the only thing rarer then this collectible is the collector who is willing to buy it!

all the best,
jsq

[KMayUSA6060]

I apologize if this has already been answered, but what are the measurements on this card? Are they significantly larger than the average card?

[pherbener]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

I apologize if this has already been answered, but what are the measurements on this card? Are they significantly larger than the average card?

This Joe D. Measures 3.25" X 5.5"

1936 DiMaggio rookie by Paul Herbener, on Flickr

[PowderedH2O]

I recently read an article (maybe one of you wrote it) in which it was discussed that perhaps the Type 4 and 5 should carry the "V" label and not actually be considered R314 at all. Is that just someone's opinion, or is there any validity in that thought? If so, has that actually ever been considered?

[Cozumeleno]

Originally Posted by PowderedH2O

I recently read an article (maybe one of you wrote it) in which it was discussed that perhaps the Type 4 and 5 should carry the "V" label and not actually be considered R314 at all. Is that just someone's opinion, or is there any validity in that thought? If so, has that actually ever been considered?

Sam - that sounds like the article that I wrote for my website a while back linked here. I've never seen it definitely stated anywhere but given that you can't find V352s anywhere at all and that, as Burdick describes in the ACC, they are creamy-bordered and similar to the R314s, I'm pretty sure those are it.

[PowderedH2O]

That is exactly where I saw it. Your website is full of great information and opinions. I think it makes some valid points about the Type 4 and 5 cards. It certainly explains the player selection, different dates, and scarcity differences.

[Cozumeleno]

Thanks - appreciate it.

Originally Posted by PowderedH2O

That is exactly where I saw it. Your website is full of great information and opinions. I think it makes some valid points about the Type 4 and 5 cards. It certainly explains the player selection, different dates, and scarcity differences.