Ode to Pre-War Football Cardboard

revmoran · #1 11-13-2016, 01:03 PM

They were a great studio - I bet somewhere out there is a catalog or price list. I especially like this Pach Bros. albumin print I bought of Jarvis Field

revmoran · #2 11-13-2016, 01:44 PM

I found this in another thread http://www.net54baseball.com/archive...?t-164861.html

Before I get into the album on eBay let me say these are NOT like books and magazines that get "chop shopped". Each individual would order a "standard" book from pach bros but could also customize the books as well. these were made as unique items for specific students with their names engraved on the front. Each page is an albumen cabinet photo (real albumen cabinet photos by the way) with two images glued to a blank cabinet. There are then 2 blank backed cabinet cards that are lightly glued together and tipped into the book with linen. These cabinet photos can easily be separated back to how they were originally produced by the photographer to two blank backed images which can be cut in half to leave two cabinet photos. What is left are two completely original album photos, on their original mounts with the original glue.

I did find this ad in the 1889 Yale Banner, but it doesn't tell us much

cfhofer · #3 11-13-2016, 10:12 PM

Mike,

The yearbook referred to in that thread is a cheaper version. It seems Pach Bros created those in the late 1890s where lower quality photos were glued onto cardboard pages. Some dealers cut these pages up and sell them off as original photos.

These earlier Pach Bros yearbooks are much nicer. They contain individual cabinet photos which are slid into sleeves for easy removal. The photo quality is top notch. The smaller photos have the Pach Bros stamp along the bottom.

revmoran · #4 11-15-2016, 01:03 PM

I'm surprised I can't find a website dedicated to the history of Pach Bros. - small collections in the Library of Congress and the Smithsonian, and a nice history here http://dlib.nyu.edu/findingaids/html.../bioghist.html which says:

A dramatic fire on February 16, 1895 completely burned out the Pach studios that were located on the top floor of the buildings at 935 and 937 Broadway. An account in the New York Timess (February 17, 1895, p. 17) stated that there were thirty employees at work in the studio, and twenty patrons sitting for their portraits, when the fire started in the negative retouching room. No lives were lost, though all negatives created in the New York and the college satellite studios from the time of the firm's founding were destroyed.

jefferyepayne · #5 01-16-2017, 07:53 AM

Haven't posted anything to this thread for a while. Thought I'd share this fantastic RPPC of the 1906 Massillon Tigers, 1906 Ohio League Champions after defeating the Canton Bulldogs two games to one in a season ending series. For those not familiar with the story, there were accusations that the second game in this series was fixed to assure there would be a lucrative third game between the teams.

A few key players in this photo include:

- Ted Nesser of the famous Nesser football family
- Peggy Parrott who is believed to have completed the first successful pass in professional football during the 1906 season
- Tiny Maxwell who the Maxwell award is named after

jeff

revmoran · #6 01-17-2017, 01:19 PM

Was that before the Super Bowl?

jefferyepayne · #7 01-17-2017, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revmoran

Was that before the Super Bowl?

You mean the beginning of football history?

I used to hate the incessant "Player XXX is the first player in playoff history to do [enter obscure, silly accomplishment here]".

Now they have expanded this to be:

First player in modern football history to ...

First player in Super Bowl era to ...

First player since 19XX to ...

First player since NFL/AFL merger to ...

Half the time I don't believe it when they say its the first time something has ever happened as they seem to arbitrarily ignore or discount the early years of the NFL.

jeff

smotan_02 · #8 01-28-2017, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

Haven't posted anything to this thread for a while. Thought I'd share this fantastic RPPC of the 1906 Massillon Tigers, 1906 Ohio League Champions after defeating the Canton Bulldogs two games to one in a season ending series. For those not familiar with the story, there were accusations that the second game in this series was fixed to assure there would be a lucrative third game between the teams.

A few key players in this photo include:

- Ted Nesser of the famous Nesser football family
- Peggy Parrott who is believed to have completed the first successful pass in professional football during the 1906 season
- Tiny Maxwell who the Maxwell award is named after

jeff

Jeff- what about the claims that the first pass was with Knute Rockne in 1913? I know it's a silly qualifier, but have heard that it was the Army-Notre Dame game. Only further explanation would be first "forward" pass.

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jefferyepayne · #9 01-28-2017, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smotan_02

Jeff- what about the claims that the first pass was with Knute Rockne in 1913? I know it's a silly qualifier, but have heard that it was the Army-Notre Dame game. Only further explanation would be first "forward" pass.
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There were plenty of legal forward passes in football starting in 1906. However, the rules were such that it was a very risky proposition that was often considered a last resort. At that time, an incomplete pass was a turnover!

Rockne and Dorais helped to popularize the forward pass by making it a strategic weapon in 1913 and are often incorrectly credited with being the first to use it. They did practiced it all summer in 1913 while working together as lifeguards and then unleashed it on college football in the Fall.

jeff

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