Interesting Ebay Bidding

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by dariushou

The whole thing was manipulated. Not just key rookie cards. Look at my previous post. Pick an issue or card it doesn't matter. PWCC's auctions are tainted in my opinion and they sell everything. It's also a relative argument. If a bunch of cards go up in price, such as key rookies, it tends to bring other cards up, too. Then it busts and everyone holding the cards who bought high loses out. If ebay gave more clarity we could easily show a lot more examples of fraud -- don't forget that you can't see anything after like 6-months, other than the image through VCP. It'll take lawsuits and handcuffs to enlighten everyone to the extent of the manipulation and fraud. Unfortunately, people's memory is short term and don't remember shill rings hauled off to jail in the past. The problems only got worse.

editing this to add that i just went to the latest pwcc auctions they put up today (1955 topps)-- i literally clicked only like 10 auctions, including 1 of the clemente's. Some of the bidders i listed in my previous post were of course bidding, but I found a few others with tons of retractions in last 6-months. Seriously, who has this many retractions and do they all come together and bid on PWCC auctions. Again, ignored the guys with huge bid activity with pwcc, unless they had a ton of retractions:


Bidder............Feedback........... 6-MO bid Retraction
7***0.........................1846................ . ........17
f***0.........................780................. .. ......11
1***a.........................391................. .. ......11
o***j..........................1935............... ..... .....9

I would post links to the auctions and can if you really want me too, but just click on a few with more than 2 bids. There are tons of them...not like a needle in a haystack.

This is fucking ridiculous. How simple can it be for ebay to get this under control. it clearly happens this way by design. I do a lot of bids with PWCC and still am very happy with their service. I snipe a number and walk away, so whatever these bastards are doing doesn't affect me because I bid what I'm willing to pay.

Shilling, retracting, bid rigging, vote rigging, etc, has been going on since the cave-man. Keep your sanity and bid what you think the card is worth, and assume you will be shilled. And don't come on here crying about it later.

Keep in mind, IMO, we've been in a bull-market for cards 5-8 years. When the tables turn, these guys will be eating shit for dinner, and I'll be serving it.

[Exhibitman]

"When the tables turn, these guys will be eating shit for dinner, and I'll be serving it"

Hey John, don't hold back on your feelings, it is not healthy.

[Snapolit1]

I'm guessing that anyone who was buying high five figure or six figure cards and then fraudulently running up the market with a group of like minded others in the hopes of making a bundle on a quick flip probably isn't the kind of person whose going to be living under a highway overpass in a cardboard box anytime soon.

My genuine fear is that this happened with respect to a pretty narrow band of post war cards (I think we can name them) but that a large scandal hits Fortune magazine or something like that and all of a sudden all of card collecting go into the crapper.

Yes, I know some of you guys are collectors, unfettered by earthy concerns on valuation, and just look at these as sweet childhood relics, untroubled by any drop in market value. I realize that.

[stlcardsfan]

How simple can it be for ebay to get this under control. it clearly happens this way by design

Huh?

[Snapolit1]

Retract more than 3 bids in a 90 day period and your account is suspended for 90 days. That's a start.

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

"When the tables turn, these guys will be eating shit for dinner, and I'll be serving it"

Hey John, don't hold back on your feelings, it is not healthy.

I feel a lot better now, thank you.