Mlb hof tracker

[packs]

Pudge to me is an obvious cheater. He literally shrunk by the time he got to the Yankees and had previously played on infamous Rangers teams with Canseco, Palmeiro, and Juan Gonzalez, all cheaters.

Vlad I think is a definitive HOFer but I would suspect absent milestones he'll need to wait a few years. However, he was infinitely better than Jim Rice or Andre Dawson and they're both in.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by packs

Pudge to me is an obvious cheater. He literally shrunk by the time he got to the Yankees and had previously played on infamous Rangers teams with Canseco, Palmeiro, and Juan Gonzalez, all cheaters.

Vlad I think is a definitive HOFer but I would suspect absent milestones he'll need to wait a few years. However, he was infinitely better than Jim Rice or Andre Dawson and they're both in.

Vlad has already reached his minimum votes to stay on the ballot. He currently sits at 70% with 26 votes. I am sure he will make it in eventually.

When Piazza made it in I think it opened the door for Bagwell because the only PED suspicion was based on body mass and stats of being PED users.
Pudge has a little more going against him as being listed in Canseco's book and then the "God only knows" answer (instead of a definitive no) when asked if he would be listed in the report.

[nat]

Vlad's career ended up not being as great as we thought it was going to be when he was half way through, but I still think I'd vote for him, and he'll get in before too long. Being a fun and interesting player doesn't make him a better one, but it will help him get elected.

[packs]

I don't know, I think Vlad was a very special talent no matter how you look at his career. If he had hit a nice round 320 instead of 318 I don't think there would be any debate. It's hard to do that and still hit 449 homers.

[bn2cardz]

With 44 ballots representing 10% of the ballots here are the interesting notes I take away.

Currently at 75% or higher:
Jeff Bagwell is the leading vote earner with 39 (89%)
Tim Raines 38 ballots (86%)
Trevor Hoffman 35 ballots (80%)
Ivan Rodriguez 35 ballots (80%)
Vlad Guerrero 33 ballots (75%)

The returning players with the most net votes gained (Votes gained from returning votes minus the lost votes from returning voters)

Edgar Martinez sits at 28 ballots (64%), but has gained 6 votes
Bonds, Clemens, and Raines have all gained 5
Walker has gained 4

The biggest drop in returning votes is Schilling who has lost 5 votes.

[Beatles Guy]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

With 44 ballots representing 10% of the ballots here are the interesting notes I take away.

Currently at 75% or higher:
Jeff Bagwell is the leading vote earner with 39 (89%)
Tim Raines 38 ballots (86%)
Trevor Hoffman 35 ballots (80%)
Ivan Rodriguez 35 ballots (80%)
Vlad Guerrero 33 ballots (75%)

The returning players with the most net votes gained (Votes gained from returning votes minus the lost votes from returning voters)

Edgar Martinez sits at 28 ballots (64%), but has gained 6 votes
Bonds, Clemens, and Raines have all gained 5
Walker has gained 4

The biggest drop in returning votes is Schilling who has lost 5 votes.

Whether you agree with it or not, Schilling has screwed himself with his comments over the last few months. Whether that's a reason to keep him out of the Hall or not, I'm not sure.

[dgo71]

I will never understand why Schilling gets so much HOF talk. In 20 years he had 6 seasons I'd consider spectacular. That's including 3 years in Philly when he had great seasons with a bad team. Outside of those and his 3 20-game win seasons (none of which garnered him a Cy Young Award, he finished 2nd each time) his career was positively average at best. Being dominant in 15% of your career and only good the rest of the time doesn't scream HOFer to me. I guess the argument could be made that less deserving players are already in but I don't believe past mistakes should condone making repeated mistakes.