I know...I know not a autograph

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by prestigecollectibles

That's why I became a vegan nearly three years ago. My only regret is that I waited until I was 46. It is the best choice for the animals, your health and the environment.

http://www.befairbevegan.com/

To be fair the horrible web page you posted highly offends me much more than the deer picture.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bnorth

To be fair the horrible web page you posted highly offends me much more than the deer picture.

That is just crazy to me. But hey, there are crazy people everywhere!!

BTW, my 13 yrs old dog has acute kidney failure and is still on IV at the vet. They don't know if she is going to make it. I held her for about 15 minutes this morning, in the back of the vet where the sick dogs are kept. I brought her rotisserie chicken blended in white rice (all made this morning) but she still won't eat. I brought a blanket from home so she can have her "home" smell in her little cage up there. They have her on antibiotics too. I will probably pick her up late this evening and bring her home for the night. WE are hopeful but it's touch and go. It is so sad when our best friends are sick....

[slidekellyslide]

Sorry to hear this Leon.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Leon

That is just crazy to me. But hey, there are crazy people everywhere!!

BTW, my 13 yrs old dog has acute kidney failure and is still on IV at the vet. They don't know if she is going to make it. I held her for about 15 minutes this morning, in the back of the vet where the sick dogs are kept. I brought her rotisserie chicken blended in white rice (all made this morning) but she still won't eat. I brought a blanket from home so she can have her "home" smell in her little cage up there. They have her on antibiotics too. I will probably pick her up late this evening and bring her home for the night. WE are hopeful but it's touch and go. It is so sad when our best friends are sick....

Did you look at the site? It talks about how ALL animals are basically tortured and murdered.

Very sorry to hear about you dog Leon. When I had to make the decision to put my Rottweiler Samson down because he was suffering from bone cancer I made him a Ribeye steak and slept on the floor with him his last night. It is crazy how much we love our pets. Tearing up just thinking about it. Good luck with you family member.

[prestigecollectibles]

If the idea of not harming animals offends you. please seek help.

Originally Posted by bnorth

To be fair the horrible web page you posted highly offends me much more than the deer picture.

[rjackson44]

me and my dog finn wish you the best .thank you for being an animal lover octavio

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by prestigecollectibles

If the idea of not harming animals offends you. please seek help.

Harming animals offends me as does the propaganda filled webpage you linked to that is filled with a lot of complete BS. I do agree the large scale farms are horrible beyond what most could imagine. I feel very differently about the small scale family farms they are also bashing.

Also hope you know that it has been scientifically proven plants feel pain. So when you cut off that piece of loose leaf lettuce or pull that carrot you ARE causing stress to the plant. I have attended The university of Arizona, Mississippi State University, Missouri Western State University, and The University of Wisconsin on every imaginable aspect of plant growth. So I am not just throwing out unsubstantiated opinions like the website you linked to.

[Leon]

I have always said I don't want to hurt a plants feelings; while I am eating it.

Originally Posted by bnorth

Harming animals offends me as does the propaganda filled webpage you linked to that is filled with a lot of complete BS. I do agree the large scale farms are horrible beyond what most could imagine. I feel very differently about the small scale family farms they are also bashing.

Also hope you know that it has been scientifically proven plants feel pain. So when you cut off that piece of loose leaf lettuce or pull that carrot you ARE causing stress to the plant. I have attended The university of Arizona, Mississippi State University, Missouri Western State University, and The University of Wisconsin on every imaginable aspect of plant growth. So I am not just throwing out unsubstantiated opinions like the website you linked to.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Also hope you know that it has been scientifically proven plants feel pain. So when you cut off that piece of loose leaf lettuce or pull that carrot you ARE causing stress to the plant. I have attended The university of Arizona, Mississippi State University, Missouri Western State University, and The University of Wisconsin on every imaginable aspect of plant growth. So I am not just throwing out unsubstantiated opinions like the website you linked to.

I thought pulling the carrot relieved stress?

It's really interesting all the arguments regarding eating some meats, eating all meats, eating no meats, etc. I was in the middle of a 'fishetarian' diet when I first read 'The Paleo Diet'. That book turned me back to including red meat in my diet. Then I read 'I am a Strange Loop' by Douglas Hofstadter and decided I needed to re-think any meat-eating; however, it had no lasting impact. The helicopter pig hunt reminded me of Hofstadter's thoughts on animal 'souls' and I hate to say it, but I'm giving up bacon. 'Bottom Feeder' completely revamped my seafood eating and I think anyone who eats seafood should read it - you will learn some scary things, plus it's just plain fun to read. If you are going to put something into your body that is used to build more cells in your body, you really ought to have an idea of what it is (on all levels).

I've had extensive conversations with Mike, and also with Robert - I can't imagine getting angry with them about anything. The internet is loaded with garbage with a little bit of information mixed in. As a representative of what I stated in that last sentence, I believe this post qualifies as one of Hofstadter's strange loops.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I thought pulling the carrot relieved stress?

It's really interesting all the arguments regarding eating some meats, eating all meats, eating no meats, etc. I was in the middle of a 'fishetarian' diet when I first read 'The Paleo Diet'. That book turned me back to including red meat in my diet. Then I read 'I am a Strange Loop' by Douglas Hofstadter and decided I needed to re-think any meat-eating; however, it had no lasting impact. The helicopter pig hunt reminded me of Hofstadter's thoughts on animal 'souls' and I hate to say it, but I'm giving up bacon. 'Bottom Feeder' completely revamped my seafood eating and I think anyone who eats seafood should read it - you will learn some scary things, plus it's just plain fun to read. If you are going to put something into your body that is used to build more cells in your body, you really ought to have an idea of what it is (on all levels).

I've had extensive conversations with Mike, and also with Robert - I can't imagine getting angry with them about anything. The internet is loaded with garbage with a little bit of information mixed in. As a representative of what I stated in that last sentence, I believe this post qualifies as one of Hofstadter's strange loops.

We are all passionate about different things. I think a lot of time we convey and interpret things posted on forums wrongly. I am sure most that posted in this thread are very wonderful people and in person we could have some wonderful conversations despite our different beliefs. It would be a boring place if we all though the same way.

Leon, even with being 25% Indian(NA for you younger folks) I don't even believe in the craziness of plants having those type of feelings.

[Bigdaddy]

OK to post?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

OK to post?

Really depends on who posts and what day of the week it is. Beautiful card, can't wait to get mine back.