For Negro League aficionados & experts: I would like to hear your opinions

aljurgela · #1 01-23-2017, 05:02 PM

Hard to stick to just five in my opinion, and I am sure that I am missing some... I think pretty much all of the following were better than Andy Cooper

Home Run Johnson
Oliver Marcelle
Alejandro Oms
Dick Lundy
John Donaldson
Minnie Minoso (a little like Monte Irvin - MLB stats miss his first few years of stats as they were in Cuba/NL)

Longer shots (but, personally favorites of mine):

Clint Thomas
Dobie Moore
Nip Winters
Frank Duncan
Spotwood Poles
George Scales
Wild Bill Wright (especially Mexican career)
Dick Redding
Bruce Petway
Tetelo Vargas

Duncan and Petway will likely suffer from "too many catchers", though I do believe that is was the strongest position for negro league players.

As others have said, Buck O'Neil is a no brainier for contributions and it is a shame that it will happen posthumously. I think that Ed Bolden will get in as an executive.

Regardless, it is hard to imagine that other entries of the Hall of Fame would NOT come from the list of players already considered. You can see the full list and see helpful links to the players here:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/bu...agues_Election

you may also find these sources helpful:

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/200...league-players

http://seamheads.com/blog/2013/08/29...-hall-of-fame/

http://johndonaldson.bravehost.com/pdf/00237.pdf

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/print.jsp?ym...=mlb&fext=.jsp

And of course, I started to post some videos on YouTube that document some of these players on Cuban cards. Fascinated topic (to me at least)!

Here is a link to a new project that I am doing that include cards of some of the players mentioned here and on the links:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBi...xNtlijS0aGCpEw

scotgreb · #2 01-23-2017, 07:45 PM

Andy --

No doubt you got some pretty educated responses . . .

FWIW I would add Gus Greenlee, Bud Fowler, and Charlie Grant (as they have not been mentioned).

If I had to bet on one it would be Minnie Minoso.

Scott

Scocs · #3 01-23-2017, 08:51 PM

This thread is so unbelievable because I was going to start a thread this week about the idea of Net54 members petitioning the Hall of Fame on this exact subject.

Over the past six months, I have written two letters to the president of the National Baseball HOF, Jeff Idelson, imploring him to reconvene a special committee to examine Negro League player induction. The first and only time it met was back in 2006 when they inducted 12 players and five executives, spanning a nearly one hundred year period. These two letters have been met with silence.

Jeff Idelson was then quoted last year by Sporting News that that was the only time they were going to open the gates of Cooperstown to Negro League players. Needless to say I was incensed and now ask all of you who are interested to bombard Mr. Idelson with "strongly-worded" letters of disapproval and outrage.

Here is his contact info:

Mr. Jeff Idelson
President
National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum
25 Main Street
Cooperstown, NY 13326

Thank you all for your support and to have this great sport finally recognize the achievements of these men!

Scott Segal

Scocs · #4 01-23-2017, 08:56 PM

P.S.

I would definitely include:

Dick Lundy
Oliver Marcelle
Grant "Home Run" Johnson
John Donaldson
Alejandro Oms

...and certainly would root for:

Clint Thomas
Bruce Petway
Spotswood Poles
Dobie Moore
John Beckwith
Nip Winters
Dick "Cannonball" Redding
Newt Allen
Bingo DeMoss

aljurgela · #5 01-24-2017, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scocs

P.S.

I would definitely include:

Dick Lundy
Oliver Marcelle
Grant "Home Run" Johnson
John Donaldson
Alejandro Oms

...and certainly would root for:

Clint Thomas
Bruce Petway
Spotswood Poles
Dobie Moore
John Beckwith
Nip Winters
Dick "Cannonball" Redding
Newt Allen
Bingo DeMoss

Love the "root for" comment.... and think that your are right that they are long shots... not sure if I had mentioned Chino Smith, but I may also add him to the long shot category....

bcbgcbrcb · #6 01-24-2017, 06:35 PM

Ed Bolden has to be at the top of any Negro League Executives list.

Scocs · #7 01-24-2017, 07:31 PM

True, if you induct Dobie Moore, seems like you have to take Chino Smith too.

Not sure about lifetime accomplishments, but Ed Wesley and Dave Malarchar?

btcarfagno · #8 01-24-2017, 09:59 PM

My off the radar choice would be Quincy Trouppe.

Tom C

Scocs · #9 02-02-2017, 06:40 PM

FWIW, I just wanted to let everyone know I mailed Jeff Idelson another letter a couple of days ago. It would send a powerful message if other Forum members did the same, so please consider writing to the Hall of Fame to support allowing more Negro Leaguers in.

At present, they have no plans to consider inducting any of them anymore!

Thanks,
Scott

toledo_mudhen · #10 02-03-2017, 03:44 AM

On a related note - if ya ever get to Kansas City the Negro League Baseball Museum at 18th and Vine is a day well spent. Tons of stuff. Buck O'Neill was very instrumental in making this go.

http://nlbm.com/s/index.cfm

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