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it is a HUGE drop
if someone really paid 169k and then sold for 135k...thats with buyers premium paid 169k then realized 112k thats a 57k loss 33% approx...not 20 how about the rose rookies selling for 15-18 now selling for 4k 75% drop? clemente 8s from 50-30 koufax 8 from 30 to last night 9K? wow |
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i dont think we can compare clemente and rose rookies with the rookie mantle. just like one low sale cant be 100% of trend...the same can be said with one lone high sale. like you said 'if someone really paid 169k' if you show me 5 cards in a row that sold for 140-160k and the sixth one sold for 100k...thats a lot different to pointing to one sale of a card for an amount that we arent even sure if someone really paid for it\ i posted awhile ago though that mid to low grade mantles were due to fall...its a bit of a pyramid scheme when the buyers of these cards are just going to try the flip them Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 01-30-2017 at 07:48 AM. |
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[QUOTE=sflayank;1625583]it is a HUGE drop
if someone really paid 169k and then sold for 135k...thats with buyers premium paid 169k then realized 112k thats a 57k loss 33% approx...not 20 how about the rose rookies selling for 15-18 now selling for 4k 75% drop? clemente 8s from 50-30 koufax 8 from 30 to last night 9K? wow[/QUOTE https://goodwinandco.com/LotDetail.a...entoryid=33087 You mean Bill Goodwin was wrong? "For the discerning collector or the profit-driven investor, this card should be an automatic. The Koufax rookie card’s climb has been as remarkable as Koufax pitching at Dodger Stadium on a hot summer day. We expect the day to come very soon, when Koufax rookies at PSA 8 will be selling well in excess of $200,000 and perhaps as $250,000."
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thats pretty funny...someone actually paid 80k...because goodwin said itll be $200k-250k
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The word "disingenuous" comes to mind.
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Have to agree on that one. That Koufax in an 8 will never, never be a 250k card. There are far too many and not enough demand.
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It's trending around $12K right now. I think getting to $20K in the next few years would be an accomplishment.
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OK that's funny!!!
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I haven't looked at prices since I sold my low grade Mantles in 2010 and 2012.
I sold them for a fraction of what they go for now. Based on the trends I'm seeing it's a stronger market now and people have the coin. I never did upgrade and it's probably a losing proposition now. These are just an example of low grade options but they seem to have doubled in price. Just for reference I got just under $7k for the '52 and under $5k for the '51. ![]() |
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I'm assuming 1/100 times you may see a 'sell/sold' card that never was paid for relisted with the same auction but i dont remember REA/mile high/goodwin ever doing that the last few years. Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 02-02-2017 at 09:13 AM. |
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This is nothing more than the ugly side of the hobby, the ugly side that keeps people from collecting/purchasing in order to keep the hobby healthy and strong. ![]()
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The better and higher priced the cards, the more haters, card doctors, and scammers that come out and play. You go ahead and build a better mousetrap...hidden reserves, psa, jsa...they build a better mouse
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It not worth auction houses to sue on every case but again a legal obligation was created to pay. People 'sell' houses all the time especially in 2008 and the buyer with no real ability to pay got a ridiculous mortgage to buy the house way above perceived market price. To the property tax appraiser and the 'market' the house sold for what the buyer was 'obligated' to pay even if later the house goes into foreclosure because that buyer never paid for the house. Even though the house was never paid (lets say 2 years were paid on a 30 year mortgage) the 'sold' price is what that buyer paid with that mortgage . |
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Real estate has signatures, meeting people/agents face to face, home inspections, the list goes on and on. Cards, on the other hand, especially those being sold through auctions like E-Bay or actual A/H's, don't have that luxury. Most in the card biz know that shilling and bid retractions, to name a couple, exist all the time and if either one says they're surprised, they are also lying. Again, listing a card as being sold for $80,000 when no money exchanged hands, and the fact they probably knew by then the bid was retracted, or whatever the case is, like I said, is outright deceptive and nothing but a lie.
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