Issues with BBC exchange

jfkheat · #1 01-30-2017, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by maximus35

Just for the record I AM IN NO WAY ACCUSING STEVE HART OF RESEALING PACKS. My concern was about getting what I truly believe were reselled packs authenticated by BBC exchange off members of ebay. I decided to buy direct from BBC exchange and experienced the same problem. I know for a fact the 89 upper deck and 83 OPC were resealed that I got off ebay. The 1982 topps football cards I got direct from BBC exchange were suspicious. I have not opened 82 topps fb packs since I was a kid. I cannot remember if there were glue on the top of every card in the pack but I find it strange every single card had glue on the top. I can scan pics for proof if some of you are skeptical. I find it odd that every single "good" card I pulled from all 3 boxes had issues (small creases, gum stuck to the back, glue on the front, and dinged corners). I can see past the dinged corners, but what explains the glue on top of every card and few cards having creases? Ive never gotten any creases in any of the commons�..just the good cards. Also, whats the explanation as to why some of the packs (about 2 per box) were not fully sealed and/or sealed like a 3yr old sealed them�.unlike the other packs.

I am not saying steve reselled the boxes, but is it possible that whomever he bough them from was able to pull as fast one on him if he did not sit and examine every single pack which I doubt he had time to do.

Before I start, did you contact BBCE to voice your concerns before posting here, CU and whatever other message boards you posted this on? Or did you just decide to come to these various forums to bash one of the most honest and respected dealers in the hobby?

In your first message you mentioned pulling a 1983 OPC Gwynn that "had gum stuck to the back that seemed glued on." Anyone that has opened 80s packs has had this happen. I have seen packs where the gum ruined several cards in the pack. This happens because the boxes weren't stored properly and probably got too warm causing the gum to start melting. How is this Steve's fault?

To think that there are no damaged cards in 80s factory sealed packs is naive. It your original message you mentioned that in all of the 82 football packs that there was "glue over the top card in every pack." These packs were heat sealed with wax, not glue, so it is common for the last card to have wax on it. It is also common for some packs to be sealed better that others. Some may barely be sealed and may have the seal come loose.

Now, on to the 89 Upper Deck boxes. I would think it would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to open and reseal these packs. Just like the 80s Topps boxes, there were damaged cards in these factory sealed packs too. The fact that you pulled two Griffey's is a good sign that there was nothing wrong with this box. Many of the 89 Upper Deck boxes had no Griffey cards.

Steve is human so he is not perfect. I'm sure there are boxes or packs that have slipped by. It is possible that you may have had bad boxes but to come here bashing Steve without talking to him first is in very poor taste.

JMO,
James

maximus35 · #2 01-31-2017, 08:15 AM

Did you not read my posts? I never once accused Steve of anything. Just because he is an "honest" guy doesn't mean he cant make mistakes. The boxes I bought off eBay were more suspect to the one I got direct from BBC exchange. I know for a fact the 89 upper deck bb were resEaled. They were my favorite packs to open as a kid. The packs I got off eBay were not even sealed the same way and some very barely sealed at all. The seller was even accused of resealing packs by other members but I didn't read all the feedback before purchasing cuz his overall feedback was high. If any of you wanna pm me I will be more than happy to tell you the seller to see for yourself. I almost wanna buy another box and send a pack to each of you guys that doubt me.

I didn't make this post to ruin Steves business....but you Guys have to agree this hobby is very corrupt. Look at Bill Mastro and James Spence. I am not putting Steve in this category but am saying that sellers on eBay are tampering with boxes sealed by BBC exchange. The boxes are just shrink wrapped. It's not hard to reseal plastic. The packs of 82 topps FB have glue on them not wax. The glue is on the opposite side of the gum. So I had cards damaged by glue and with gum. I will be more than happy to send any of you guys some of the cards damaged with glue just so you can see.

Again, quit thinking I'm accusing Steve of doing any of this. I am saying he either made a mistake authenticating the packs or other people are tampering with them. Does Steve really sit and go thru every single pack in every box before authenticating them? If so what's the theory as to why every single good cArd in all 3 boxes had issues???

Rich Klein · #3 01-31-2017, 09:37 AM

I have known Steve for nearly 30 years and he and his staff are as good as they come.

However, there is even a different issue when it comes to 1989 Upper Deck packs. Because so many packs were sold, there were many unscrupulous dealers who would know how to search those packs (not in a way you would expect) and could put packs into a box without a collector having any chance for a Griffey.

Because of that, there is no way for Steve, or anyone else to know, if the packs were placed back into a box and purported to be unopened when in fact the key pull was already missing.

So. unless your 1989 box is coming from an previously unopened case, frankly anything is possible with 1989 Upper Deck and caution is urged at all times.

Rich

jfkheat · #4 01-31-2017, 11:37 AM

Rich,
The op, whatever his name is, said that the 89 Upper Deck packs were opened and resealed. He also mentioned that he pulled two Griffeys but both were damaged. I would think it would be very difficult to reseal the Upper Deck foil packs.

Whatever his name is never answered my question about contacting BBCE before posting here.

James

Leon · #5 02-01-2017, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jfkheat

Rich,
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Whatever his name is never answered my question about contacting BBCE before posting here.

James

His name is in the second post.

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jfkheat · #6 02-01-2017, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

His name is in the second post.

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I must be missing it. I don't see his name.
James

Arsenal83 · #7 02-11-2017, 01:20 AM

I've bought thousands of dollars of boxes from Steve, but I always buy FASC. The concern I've always had about buying wrapped boxes second hand is that anyone can replicate Steve's shrink wrap and even get his logo printed on it. Furthermore, how hard would it be to make stickers like what's used on the bottoms? The hologram he now uses ads maybe a little more security, but honestly, even those can be easily replicated.

Leon · #8 02-11-2017, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jfkheat

I must be missing it. I don't see his name.
James

Read all of the 2nd post in this thread. Then let me know....

Peter_Spaeth · #9 01-31-2017, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by maximus35

Did you not read my posts? I never once accused Steve of anything. Just because he is an "honest" guy doesn't mean he cant make mistakes. The boxes I bought off eBay were more suspect to the one I got direct from BBC exchange. I know for a fact the 89 upper deck bb were resEaled. They were my favorite packs to open as a kid. The packs I got off eBay were not even sealed the same way and some very barely sealed at all. The seller was even accused of resealing packs by other members but I didn't read all the feedback before purchasing cuz his overall feedback was high. If any of you wanna pm me I will be more than happy to tell you the seller to see for yourself. I almost wanna buy another box and send a pack to each of you guys that doubt me.

I didn't make this post to ruin Steves business....but you Guys have to agree this hobby is very corrupt. Look at Bill Mastro and James Spence. I am not putting Steve in this category but am saying that sellers on eBay are tampering with boxes sealed by BBC exchange. The boxes are just shrink wrapped. It's not hard to reseal plastic. The packs of 82 topps FB have glue on them not wax. The glue is on the opposite side of the gum. So I had cards damaged by glue and with gum. I will be more than happy to send any of you guys some of the cards damaged with glue just so you can see.

Again, quit thinking I'm accusing Steve of doing any of this. I am saying he either made a mistake authenticating the packs or other people are tampering with them. Does Steve really sit and go thru every single pack in every box before authenticating them? If so what's the theory as to why every single good cArd in all 3 boxes had issues???

You started out by saying, "Do you guys trust BBC exchange to buy sealed boxes from? How do you know they are not rewrapping wax packs?" To me that doesn't sound like someone claiming he made an innocent mistake.

jfkheat · #10 01-31-2017, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You started out by saying, "Do you guys trust BBC exchange to buy sealed boxes from? How do you know they are not rewrapping wax packs?" To me that doesn't sound like someone claiming he made an innocent mistake.

Don't forget the title of the thread, Issues with BBC exchange.
James

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