Is collecting modern cards a sickness?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Neal

Maybe I will lol!

Here is a good reference chart .....

http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp_bat.cgi?I=troutmi01:Mike Trout&st=age&compage=24&age=24

Show how Pujols compares please.

[Neal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Show how Pujols compares please.

he didn't make the list lol

http://www.baseball-reference.com/fr...troutmi01:Mike Trout&st=age&compage=24&age=24

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Neal

he didn't make the list lol

http://www.baseball-reference.com/fr...troutmi01:Mike Trout&st=age&compage=24&age=24

I guarantee you the numbers for his first five or six seasons will be ahead of Trout in nearly every important category. E.g. he had 250 HR after 6 seasons and was batting .330 or so.

[Neal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I guarantee you the numbers for his first five or six seasons will be ahead of Trout in nearly every important category. E.g. he had 250 HR after 6 seasons and was batting .330 or so.

Pujols was a monster. Just doesn't have the appeal Trout does .... in my opinion of course

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Neal

Pujols was a monster. Just doesn't have the appeal Trout does .... in my opinion of course

You sound like a guy who has already made up your mind. Let me know what you need for your 53BC Mantle.

[Neal]

Originally Posted by peter_spaeth

you sound like a guy who has already made up your mind. Let me know what you need for your 53bc mantle. :d

lol

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Neal

Pujols was a monster. Just doesn't have the appeal Trout does .... in my opinion of course

I completely agree with this at this time. The problem is as soon as Trout has a bad year or the next big thing comes up Trout will be forgotten just as fast as Pujols was. Probably even faster since Pujols had a much better start to his career.

[nat]

Where do you get this thing about Pujols having a better start to his career? Once you adjust for the context in which they were playing (i.e., Pujols got started during silly ball), and the parks in which they play, they have basically identical OPSs. (Trout leads by one point.) Trout's OPS is also weighted more heavily towards on-base percentage than is Pujols', and on-base percentage is more valuable than is slugging percentage. So as batters, Trout has a narrow lead over Pujols. But once you account for the fact that Trout is a good base runner and a center fielder, whereas Pujols was a leftfielder/first baseman (although admittedly a good one), Trout pulls into a comfortable lead.

We really should feel lucky that we get to watch Trout play. Through age 24 he is the greatest player of all time. Ruth's huge seasons came after age 24, so no guarantee that he's going to keep that title (he probably won't), but he is something special.

That said, keep the Mantles and the Aarons. Or sell them to me cheaply.


P.S. Bonus comparison: Trout vs. Mantle. Trout has a slight lead as a hitter through age 24 (a little bit larger than his lead over Pujols, but still not very big). Both were center fielders. As a fielder early in his career, Mantle was pretty much dead average for a center fielder. Trout averages out about the same (although with considerable year-to-year variation). Trout is the better base runner.

[Neal]

For the record, I am not selling Mantle and Aaron's to buy Mike Trout cards

I don't think it would be that crazy however. Mike Trout, as nat pointed out, is off to a legendary start, and I'd love to own a nice mid-level Trout card. Or cards.

Searching for them, as well as learning some tidbits regarding modern collecting, has been a pleasant diversion to the same ole cards on eBay.

Good thread

[bnorth]

OK to be as fair as possible I will compare the first 5 years for Albert Pujols to 6 for Trout so the Plate Appearances and ABs are close with Trout having 130 more PA and 43 more AB.

Pujols PA 3428 in first 5 years
Trout PA 3558 in first 6 years

Pujols AB 2954
Trout AB 2997

Pujols BA 332
Trout BA 306

Pujols Runs 629
Trout Runs 600

Pujols Hits 982
Trout Hits 917

Pujols 2B 227
Trout 2B 175

Pujols 3B 11
Trout 3B 37

Pujols HR 201
Trout HR 168

Pujols RBI 621
Trout RBI 497

Pujols SB 29
Trout SB 143

Pujols BB 401
Trout BB 477

Pujols TB 1834
Trout TB 1670

So even with 130 more plate appearances and 43 more at bats he is behind in every offensive category except SB, BB and triples.. Yes i know these are old school stats but I have no faith is the new theoretical/hypothetical stats when they compare players of different positions and different years.