To Clean or not to Clean

1952boyntoncollector · #1 03-02-2017, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rats60

How do you know it was only cleaned by water? Were you the one who cleaned it or do you know who did it? How do you know chemicals weren't used, but can't be detected? Can you provide a link to where SGC and PSA have said it is OK to clean cards with water? If this is the industry standard, why was the cleaning not disclosed when the card was sold? Isn't the answer to the last question that it is not the industry standard and there are a lot of people opposed to any alteration of cards including soaking?

Its actually an industry standard not to disclose soaking a card and also not many other defects. You pretty much expect to be told about any paper loss, wrinkles or creases but thats about it when see a description at an AH. (most sellers have the card in hand and can disclose those things but may not know about a prior soaking)

I think you can buy a PSA 4.5 card for example and if they didnt disclose a wrinkle i think you would have a right to send it back even if it is 'no returns' but finding out a card was in a different holder and grade earlier and soaked i dont think there is as much of a right as the prior example...others may disagree

rats60 · #2 03-02-2017, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Its actually an industry standard not to disclose soaking a card and also not many other defects. You pretty much expect to be told about any paper loss, wrinkles or creases but thats about it when see a description at an AH. (most sellers have the card in hand and can disclose those things but may not know about a prior soaking)

I think you can buy a PSA 4.5 card for example and if they didnt disclose a wrinkle i think you would have a right to send it back even if it is 'no returns' but finding out a card was in a different holder and grade earlier and soaked i dont think there is as much of a right as the prior example...others may disagree

What about if they pressed the wrinkle out and don't disclose. Then it comes back later. What is the buyers recourse? Doesn't lack of disclosure mean the seller doesn't think it is a generally an accepted practice?

1952boyntoncollector · #3 03-02-2017, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by rats60

What about if they pressed the wrinkle out and don't disclose. Then it comes back later. What is the buyers recourse? Doesn't lack of disclosure mean the seller doesn't think it is a generally an accepted practice?

right can go round and round on this but there is a gray area thats accepted and is buyer beware and reputation of seller is impacted.

net54 forums are good to 'out' the bad sellers and to make inform buyers.

I would think if there is a wrinkle on the card you can send it back if it happens within a 'reasonable amount of time' Seller can say didnt know there was a wrinkle (if not showing at time of sale) there just like saying didnt know card was soaked.

I just have never seen an auction house in the last 4000 listings disclose a card was soaked, but i have seen many that disclose wrinkles even though you cant tell from the scan....thats the business practice i see...other can disagree

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