How do you see the market 10yrs from now

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

Ok I need to call bullshit. 150k for that mays with 7 days left? None is gonna bid that card up that fast. That's so fake. Every time I use vintagecardprices.com there is always card "a" selling on average for let's say 50 and then OECD sold one for 110. something is so so so shady and off. Thoughts?

PWCC auctions, as I have said many times, do not behave like other auctions. And this is one way they don't -- big cards get bid up out of the gate real fast and real high.

[ALR-bishop]

If I can still see my cards 10 years from now I will be happy whatever the market may look like

[brian1961]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

If I can still see my cards 10 years from now I will be happy whatever the market may look like

You got that right, Mr. Richter.

I'm currently in the middle of watching the actual television broadcast of the 7th game of the 1952 World Series, with Mel Allen and Red Barber at the mic. Truly, that series was one of the greatest of all-time. I don't know why I waited so long to treat myself to this. By the way, the game is available anytime anyone wishes to see it on YOUTUBE.

---Brian Powell

[Bestdj777]

Originally Posted by brian1961

You got that right, Mr. Richter.

I'm currently in the middle of watching the actual television broadcast of the 7th game of the 1952 World Series, with Mel Allen and Red Barber at the mic. Truly, that series was one of the greatest of all-time. I don't know why I waited so long to treat myself to this. By the way, the game is available anytime anyone wishes to see it on YOUTUBE.

---Brian Powell

Don't want to ruin it for you, but Mantle gets a home run in that one (I need to watch the game as I am lucky enough to own a game used ball from it and from game 6).

As for cards, who knows what the market will be in 10 years. Hopefully good if I am selling and bad if I am buying.

[JTysver]

Let me clarify slightly for the common man.

I had been buying lots of mid grade and up of commons and semi-stars (with an occasional star thrown in for the last few years.
Two years or so ago I could buy a lot of cards from the early to mid 60s pretty commonly for about 40-50 cents or less per card. These are consistently going for 70 cents and up now. I have seen some 300 card lots go for $400.

Essentially, I believe the market for vintage cards is more competitive than it was 3 or 4 years ago. I can't give a fair reason why, but it's becoming obvious that some of the common prices are rising.

As well, cards in the mid 70s all the way up to the mid 80s are going for more as people are seeking cards in high grade to slab.

[Neal]

Mike Trout

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Neal

Mike Trout

LOL. Which of his 50 million cards is a good buy?

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by JTysver

Let me clarify slightly for the common man.

I had been buying lots of mid grade and up of commons and semi-stars (with an occasional star thrown in for the last few years.
Two years or so ago I could buy a lot of cards from the early to mid 60s pretty commonly for about 40-50 cents or less per card. These are consistently going for 70 cents and up now. I have seen some 300 card lots go for $400.

Essentially, I believe the market for vintage cards is more competitive than it was 3 or 4 years ago. I can't give a fair reason why, but it's becoming obvious that some of the common prices are rising.

As well, cards in the mid 70s all the way up to the mid 80s are going for more as people are seeking cards in high grade to slab.

I agree and have seen the same trends recently all so (since Nov/Dec LY)...auctions are ending much higher than they used to, even on lower to mid grade material. What is interesting, in some cases now due to this recent trend in lot prices, you can get a better deal buying singles from ebay sellers than buying lots....this is a scary trend for card sellers specializing in selling singles.

However, like many trends, the pendulum will likely swing back in the other direction and lot prices per card will no longer exceed pricing on singles.

[irv]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

I agree and have seen the same trends recently all so (since Nov/Dec LY)...auctions are ending much higher than they used to, even on lower to mid grade material. What is interesting, in some cases now due to this recent trend in lot prices, you can get a better deal buying singles from ebay sellers than buying lots....this is a scary trend for card sellers specializing in selling singles.

However, like many trends, the pendulum will likely swing back in the other direction and lot prices per card will no longer exceed pricing on singles.

I have noticed the same, and I can assume we are talking about the same cards?

Recent sales with Greg Morris were quite surprising, and they were raw, too.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

If I can still see my cards 10 years from now I will be happy whatever the market may look like

LMAO, I'm with you!!

[Rookiemonster]

Does anyone know if there is any 9 year old treads on this topic ?

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

If I can still see my cards 10 years from now I will be happy whatever the market may look like

Not bad, Al--I like it! Seriously, I would expect that the truly rare and significant vintage will continue to do quite well; the overpriced investor market for top-end PSA 9's and 10's will have come down quite a bit when our new investor "buddies" learn that there is not an endless supply of true collectors [or new investors coming in to the market] who are willing to pay 5-10X or more what such a card is worth; and the new card market for the most recent phenoms will continue to surge, while those current players that are proven to have been overpriced with the passage of time will drop from their current price levels like wingless birds out of the sky!

Above all else, however, may your collecting bring you joy!

Larry

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

PWCC auctions, as I have said many times, do not behave like other auctions. And this is one way they don't -- big cards get bid up out of the gate real fast and real high.

That makes 2 of us Al-R. I do believe there is price manipulation with some sellers - but I also agree with Peter that the bidding history in PWCC auctions does not particularly follow that of other auctions. They have a good following and many buyers will pay a premium for the service that they provide.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

buyers will pay a premium for the service that they provide.

Outside of allowing 90 days to settle your account on higher dollar cards through either cash or consignments, what other services do they provide that other sellers on ebay or AHs do not?

[Zach Wheat]

Some buyers will pay a premium for purchasing cards from a well known eBay seller with a track record & history of selling legit cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Zach Wheat

Some buyers will pay a premium for purchasing cards from a well known eBay seller with a track record & history of selling legit cards.

Lots of folks in that category but their auctions dont fly out of the gate.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Outside of allowing 90 days to settle your account on higher dollar cards through either cash or consignments, what other services do they provide that other sellers on ebay or AHs do not?

They can turn SGC 4's into PSA 7's.

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

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Originally Posted by stampsfan

they can turn sgc 4's into psa 7's.

[smellthegum]

Originally Posted by maximus35

I wanted some opinions on which cards you guys believe will be worth the most in 10 yrs. Assuming all these cards are the same price right now $30-40k range:

51 bowman mantle PSA 6.5
52 topps mantle PSA 4
33 goudey Ruth #144/#149 PSA 7
68 topps Nolan Ryan PSA 9
55 topps Clemente PSA 8
54 topps Aaron PSA 8
55 topps Koufax PSA 8.5
79 OPC Gretzky PSA 9

Which ones would be at the top of your list?

Here's a reminder of what this thread is supposed to be about. Seems to have veered into the usual morass of PWCC bashing, shill bidding, and price manipulation complaints. Like there aren't enough of those already.

I would be infinitely more interested in reading responses to the OP's original question...

[pokerplyr80]

To get back on topic my best guess is rare pre-war cards of big name players will be better investments long term than post war rookies will be. Mantle will be the one exception. I don't think you can go wrong holding a 52 topps or 33 Ruth for 10 years. Anything Gehrig, Cobb, Jackson, or Wagner would also be fine.

[Neal]

Originally Posted by Stampsfan

They can turn SGC 4's into PSA 7's.

ba dum dum!