PWCC Bid History

[x2drich2000]

Now that the bidding is over, I will admit to being the person who put in all those bids on the Siegle. I was not the consigner of this card, but wanted if for my personal collection. I have also never retracted a bid. For those that do not know me, I'm a bit obsessed with the e92 set (5 red crofts, 40 different nadja, a few blues, 2 menageries, a prizefighter, a blank back, etc). So figured this card would fit nicely into my collection. As for the other cards I was bidding on, the e93 Cobb is the last card I need for my set. The 3rd card ends tonight so I don't want to divulge it until after it ends, but would be happy to do so at that point.

So why did I bid like this? Quite frankly, to make people hesitant to bid given PWCC reputation for shill bidding. Had this been any other seller, I likely would have just put in a snipe and waited for the outcome. Does bidding like this work? Hard to say for sure, as it only takes one other person putting in a snipe to be outbid. I had a price in mind that I was willing to pay up to and set my final snipe to that amount. In this case, whoever won the card obviously still wanted it just a little more than me. However, as a few people such as Dan have mentioned, it put them off from the auction, so it did have at least some influence on some potential bidders.

DJ

[Leon]

I have a feeling more and more are playing some pseudo-games with PWCC and Probstein auctions hoping to scare others away. If I wanted something I would just bid what I want, as a snipe, and not think about it. Alas, no great looking T205 Cobby so I am safe....

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

Now that the bidding is over, I will admit to being the person who put in all those bids on the Siegle. I was not the consigner of this card, but wanted if for my personal collection. I have also never retracted a bid. For those that do not know me, I'm a bit obsessed with the e92 set (5 red crofts, 40 different nadja, a few blues, 2 menageries, a prizefighter, a blank back, etc). So figured this card would fit nicely into my collection. As for the other cards I was bidding on, the e93 Cobb is the last card I need for my set. The 3rd card ends tonight so I don't want to divulge it until after it ends, but would be happy to do so at that point.

So why did I bid like this? Quite frankly, to make people hesitant to bid given PWCC reputation for shill bidding. Had this been any other seller, I likely would have just put in a snipe and waited for the outcome. Does bidding like this work? Hard to say for sure, as it only takes one other person putting in a snipe to be outbid. I had a price in mind that I was willing to pay up to and set my final snipe to that amount. In this case, whoever won the card obviously still wanted it just a little more than me. However, as a few people such as Dan have mentioned, it put them off from the auction, so it did have at least some influence on some potential bidders.

DJ

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by Leon

I have a feeling more and more are playing some pseudo-games with PWCC and Probstein auctions hoping to scare others away. If I wanted something I would just bid what I want, as a snipe, and not think about it. Alas, no great looking T205 Cobby so I am safe....

+1 The aggravated buyers on this forum could learn a lot from this. Find a value that you think is fair, set a snipe, then walk away.

Like others have said, assume you will be shilled on any platform, more so if you can't see the bidders and snipping is not allowed.

[Timbegs]

There are also people like me who bid differently every time motivated solely by my desire to land the card. Depending on the card, I DO like to find out where the topside is and then double it for my last second bid. So I'll one click up until I find the original bidders top. I'll click it up and then if I think the guys initial top bid is too high for me, I'll give up having only cost that guy more money especially if I was the only other serious bidder. In the end, that guy may pay much closer to his top side bid because of me.

Warm glass of milk and I still sleep fine. I also have never retracted a bid. Ever. I pay literally instantly and have been actually scolded for paying before invoice.

Now, I'll ask since I never really considered it - am I a jerk ebay bidder?

I really don't mean to be. I don't work for the auction house and am small time, nickel and dime.

[nolemmings]

I often will make a placeholder bid, usually well into the auction (sometimes the final day). This is for far less than what I would be willing to pay but enough to win at the time, so that in the unlikely event my snipe does not fire off, I still have a shot--I actually have failed to do this and watched an item or two go for less than what I would have initially bid. Two bids. Max. I also watch those items so that I receive outbid and "about to close" e-mails, just for reminder purposes.

[danmckee]

Just clicked on over a dozen PWCC auctions bid history ending tonight....

84%, 90% a few 100%

Sorry.... I ain't buying it!!!!

Just complete BULLSHIT to me!

I won't bid on any with stats like that, I guarantee there is shilling involved.

Painthistorian runs tons of auctions of coll stuff and doesn't have those numbers.

I just ain't buying it!!!!

[Rhotchkiss]

How can one tell on eBay how many bids a bidder has retracted (in general and in a specific auction) and how many times a bidder has bid? When I hit bid history, all I see is a string of single bids with f**s (1896) etc. Thanks!

[Leon]

Hey Dan
Tell us how ya really feel?

LL

Originally Posted by danmckee

Just clicked on over a dozen PWCC auctions bid history ending tonight....

84%, 90% a few 100%

Sorry.... I ain't buying it!!!!

Just complete BULLSHIT to me!

I won't bid on any with stats like that, I guarantee there is shilling involved.

Painthistorian runs tons of auctions of coll stuff and doesn't have those numbers.

I just ain't buying it!!!!

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by danmckee

Just clicked on over a dozen PWCC auctions bid history ending tonight....

84%, 90% a few 100%

Sorry.... I ain't buying it!!!!

Just complete BULLSHIT to me!

I won't bid on any with stats like that, I guarantee there is shilling involved.

Painthistorian runs tons of auctions of coll stuff and doesn't have those numbers.

I just ain't buying it!!!!

Possibly the most egregious shameless plug I've ever seen on net54.

[sushihotwings]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

Now that the bidding is over, I will admit to being the person who put in all those bids on the Siegle. I was not the consigner of this card, but wanted if for my personal collection. I have also never retracted a bid. For those that do not know me, I'm a bit obsessed with the e92 set (5 red crofts, 40 different nadja, a few blues, 2 menageries, a prizefighter, a blank back, etc). So figured this card would fit nicely into my collection. As for the other cards I was bidding on, the e93 Cobb is the last card I need for my set. The 3rd card ends tonight so I don't want to divulge it until after it ends, but would be happy to do so at that point.

So why did I bid like this? Quite frankly, to make people hesitant to bid given PWCC reputation for shill bidding. Had this been any other seller, I likely would have just put in a snipe and waited for the outcome. Does bidding like this work? Hard to say for sure, as it only takes one other person putting in a snipe to be outbid. I had a price in mind that I was willing to pay up to and set my final snipe to that amount. In this case, whoever won the card obviously still wanted it just a little more than me. However, as a few people such as Dan have mentioned, it put them off from the auction, so it did have at least some influence on some potential bidders.

DJ

"Mic drop"

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

Now that the bidding is over, I will admit to being the person who put in all those bids on the Siegle. I was not the consigner of this card, but wanted if for my personal collection. I have also never retracted a bid. For those that do not know me, I'm a bit obsessed with the e92 set (5 red crofts, 40 different nadja, a few blues, 2 menageries, a prizefighter, a blank back, etc). So figured this card would fit nicely into my collection.

DJ

It looks like the seigle might have been to the right of Crawford.
Crofts Cocoa Crawford.jpgSeigle crofts cocoa.jpg

[x2drich2000]

Pat, I believe you are right, at least for cocoa backs. I'll see if I have a chance to start a new thread later tonight with several other miscuts.

DJ