Clarification of auction description

[CardMD]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Translation-There are two big ass spots of paper loss on the rear from where it appears to have been glued into a scrapbook. PSA screwed up the grade and it should be much lower.

The more I look at it, shouldn't it be a 7 without the paper loss? Does the paper loss drop it more that a OC? I thought the general rule for OC is a 2 point drop to have the OC removed? Does that apply for paper loss?

[irv]

Originally Posted by CardMD

The more I look at it, shouldn't it be a 7 without the paper loss? Does the paper loss drop it more that a OC? I thought the general rule for OC is a 2 point drop to have the OC removed? Does that apply for paper loss?

With the paper loss and staining on the reverse, this card should be a PR-1 as per their own guidelines, if I am not mistaken?

Without seeing the front but going by the description, it has been talked about many times that TPG's should be less critical with back flaws than front ones, but as far as I know, nothing has changed in regards to that.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by CardMD

The more I look at it, shouldn't it be a 7 without the paper loss? Does the paper loss drop it more that a OC? I thought the general rule for OC is a 2 point drop to have the OC removed? Does that apply for paper loss?

There is no pl qualifier for paper loss. I did not notice this thread until after I started one on the same card. And as others have stated the answer to your first question is they are admitting the card should not be graded a 5 with paper loss.

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by CardMD

The more I look at it, shouldn't it be a 7 without the paper loss? Does the paper loss drop it more that a OC? I thought the general rule for OC is a 2 point drop to have the OC removed? Does that apply for paper loss?

Definitely not a 7 by any stretch, not even a 6.

[Steve D]

PSA's rules, I believe, stipulate that the highest grade a card with paper loss can get, is a 2.

Steve

[Yoda]

SGC would crucify this card. A 1.5 at best.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Yoda

SGC would crucify this card. A 1.5 at best.

yeap

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Yoda

SGC would crucify this card. A 1.5 at best.

Totally, and you hit it with "at best".

[pokerplyr80]

Any thoughts on how this ended up in a psa 5 holder in the first place? Hard to imagine psa could miss not one but two spots of paper loss on the back.

[JustinD]

Seems like the buyer of this one is owed some money, if I was the seller I would pull it and do this first. Selling it now will net a loss.

"If PSA, in fact, concludes that the card in question no longer merits the PSA grade assigned or fails PSA’s authenticity standards, PSA will either:

Buy the card from the submitter at the current market value if the card can no longer receive a numerical grade under PSA's standards or,

Refund the difference in value between the original PSA grade and the current PSA grade if the grade is lowered. In this case, the card will also be returned to the customer along with the refund for the difference in value."