OMG: Jose Fernandez Killed in Boating Accident

CollectingAmericasPastime · #1 03-17-2017, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Well its hard to take your opinion seriously when you start it off with ' it's pretty easy to see how someone got millions from McDonald's after said someone spilled their own hot coffee onto their lap"

What case are you referring too? If there is no specific case of that do you agree that some entity convinced you of that? You may want to see the movie 'hot coffee' that i have attached a link on youtube.

Id like to know the name of this person that actually received milions of dollars from mcdonalds due to fault on their own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIeXjd_jzZk

In addition, you mention that that fiance of jose just had a baby. What does that have to do with anything? What about the passengers families?

People going to jail like to tel the judge that they have a family to take care of. The judge usualy says 'you should of thought of that before you committed the crime/driven drunk (you can fill that part in)

Even after the lawsuit. im sure the lawyers will work it out and leave enough money for the family. Many babys grow up without a million dollar trust fund. A lot of money has probably 'disappeared' right now as well. Is that fair to the victim's families?

I have emboldened parts of your post and will answer chronologically...

1) Not sure how the beginning of my post negates the seriousness of my post.

2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebec...;s_Restaurants. "Negligence" and "lawsuit" are synonymous. Negligence is everywhere. The alternate terminology is "human error".

3) She is a new mother, and just lost her fiance. The deaths were not fault of her own. In fact, she had NOTHING to do with it. Your defense of the other 2 families is they just lost a loved one, therefore they should be entitled to some compensation. She just lost her loved one, and her new baby lost a dad. Where's their compensation?

4) So what you're suggesting is, because she was engaged to a rich athlete, her financials should automatically become a trick-or-treat bag where everyone can come grab some? "Don't worry, there will be enough candy in the end for you to enjoy some of it."

drcy · #2 03-17-2017, 01:01 PM

The McDonald's case is a bit of a bad story. Not to say the person was without fault and stupidity, but McDonald's had been warned by authorities numerous times before the incident that their coffee was served way too hot, especially for the drive through and people carrying the food themselves. They had been told to serve the coffee cooler and that they could be liable if a customer accidentally got burned after accidentally spilling it on themselves.

And, as someone who would go to McDonald's in college (many years ago), I specifically recall thinking that their coffee was extra hot and served hotter than anywhere else.

1952boyntoncollector · #3 03-17-2017, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by drcy

The McDonald's case is a bit of a bad story. Not to say the person was without fault and stupidity, but McDonald's had been warned by authorities numerous times before the incident that their coffee was served way too hot, especially for the drive through and people carrying the food themselves. They had been told to serve the coffee cooler and that they could be liable if a customer accidentally got burned after accidentally spilling it on themselves.

And, as someone who would go to McDonald's in college (many years ago), I specifically recall thinking that their coffee was extra hot and served hotter than anywhere else.

right mcdonalds made a decison, they got X amount of business with their coffee which far exceeded the liability. Plus even if they did 'lose' a case, they can just make the public think it was for millions and millions of dollars and get people to back their side so they win both ways

packs · #4 03-17-2017, 01:34 PM

I find the victim blaming hard to understand. If your child died because their driver was drunk I don't know how many people would say their child deserved it.

Fred · #5 03-17-2017, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

I find the victim blaming hard to understand. If your child died because their driver was drunk I don't know how many people would say their child deserved it.

Hey Packs - if you're dumb enough to let your child go off with a drunk then I guess that's what happens.

You can call those grown men victims, they were, but victims at their own choice and circumstance. Oh please, let's not twist this and say my post indicates that they wanted to die... sheesh...

packs · #6 03-17-2017, 04:54 PM

What do you mean let, though? These men were adults, they were also someone's children. I think you're putting a lot of distance between what happened and what it means to a family. In my opinion a drunk driver is the only person responsible for the deaths of anyone in an accident. Passengers are victims, both inside of the vehicle and outside.

Shoeless Moe · #7 03-17-2017, 09:43 PM

Put yourself in how Jose's mom feels, his fiance's view, but also put yourself in the position of the mother of one of his friends who died, and their fiance. It all depends on who's position your in, the view will be different.

You can say he was an idiot, or you can say he was a just a young guy given millions at a age where we all did things we wouldn't do now. Or to a lot lesser degree.

Everyone will have a different view on this, no one is right no one is wrong, it is what is, and the Marlins are paying the price as is my fantasy team....c'mon lighten up!

orly57 · #8 03-18-2017, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Fred

Hey Packs - if you're dumb enough to let your child go off with a drunk then I guess that's what happens.

You can call those grown men victims, they were, but victims at their own choice and circumstance. Oh please, let's not twist this and say my post indicates that they wanted to die... sheesh...

I took this horrible event as an opportunity to teach my three young sons. Yes, they were grown men, but they were also probably star-struck young men who felt privileged to be in the presence of a superstar. They probably felt that they would look "uncool" if they didn't go along with Jose's crazy request to go out on the boat at night or if they told him to slow down. I made much dumber decisions in my early 20's than I ever did as a child. Let's all take the time to sit our children down and remind them to have a mind of their own, be leaders, rather than followers, and to take a stance even when it is not popular or cool. I can't imagine how I would feel if I lost a son due to the stupidity and irresponsibility of another. That has to be exacerbated when that same irresponsible person is getting streets named after him and all of the pity and national attention. Just a horrible thing that happened. All we can do is teach our kids, so hopefully they don't make the same type of mistake.

Snapolit1 · #9 03-18-2017, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by orly57

I took this horrible event as an opportunity to teach my three young sons. Yes, they were grown men, but they were also probably star-struck young men who felt privileged to be in the presence of a superstar. They probably felt that they would look "uncool" if they didn't go along with Jose's crazy request to go out on the boat at night or if they told him to slow down. I made much dumber decisions in my early 20's than I ever did as a child. Let's all take the time to sit our children down and remind them to have a mind of their own, be leaders, rather than followers, and to take a stance even when it is not popular or cool. I can't imagine how I would feel if I lost a son due to the stupidity and irresponsibility of another. That has to be exacerbated when that same irresponsible person is getting streets named after him and all of the pity and national attention. Just a horrible thing that happened. All we can do is teach our kids, so hopefully they don't make the same type of mistake.

Probably the most important lesson my father taught me was to walk away from situations that made me uncomfortable for any reason, not giving a crap who maligned me or called me names. Think for yourself and don't go along for anything you don't want to do. Speak up and walk away. Be your own man as you say. I've more than a few times refused to get into a car of someone wasted. Tried to take their keys away and if they were insistent just tell them I wanted no part of it.

JollyElm · #10 03-18-2017, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by orly57

I took this horrible event as an opportunity to teach my three young sons. Yes, they were grown men, but they were also probably star-struck young men who felt privileged to be in the presence of a superstar. They probably felt that they would look "uncool" if they didn't go along with Jose's crazy request to go out on the boat at night or if they told him to slow down. I made much dumber decisions in my early 20's than I ever did as a child. Let's all take the time to sit our children down and remind them to have a mind of their own, be leaders, rather than followers, and to take a stance even when it is not popular or cool. I can't imagine how I would feel if I lost a son due to the stupidity and irresponsibility of another. That has to be exacerbated when that same irresponsible person is getting streets named after him and all of the pity and national attention. Just a horrible thing that happened. All we can do is teach our kids, so hopefully they don't make the same type of mistake.

I'm old, but can you adopt me?

1952boyntoncollector · #11 03-17-2017, 01:29 PM

Well people to get injured all the time with people with no money and no insurance and you are right , there are no claims against those people and it doesnt matter if they have kids or a family . However if someone has money and/or insurance, they will likely get sued in a case such as Jose's

Which reminds me, there is probably insurance on the boat that is being pursued but the public will not know about that for this type of case. I discussed that earlier in this thread months ago.

Still having a family doesnt relieve anyone from a damages award or being a fault for an accident. The baby has nothing to do in terms of what happened in the accident and the victims damages. Collecting on the damages is a different story. The baby will be used as a sword, not a shield

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