$OLD pet peeve

[orly57]

1. VCP gets paid to do exactly what you guys are trying to avoid: (gasp) tell the world how much you paid for a card.
2. I personally love having card prices (particularly on ultra-rare stuff) cataloged and listed, both as a buyer and a seller. So many deals go on behind the scenes in private sales with rare cards that vcp is often left in the dust. I know of cards that sold publicly at 5k and later sold for over 30k privately a year later. If I wanted to buy OR sell another example of that card, I think it is vital to know what it sold for privately.
3. If the guy you are selling the card to says "but you only paid X for it," he is just as likely to quote you the vcp anyway, so who cares?

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by orly57

1. VCP gets paid to do exactly what you guys are trying to avoid: (gasp) tell the world how much you paid for a card.
2. I personally love having card prices (particularly on ultra-rare stuff) cataloged and listed, both as a buyer and a seller. So many deals go on behind the scenes in private sales with rare cards that vcp is often left in the dust. I know of cards that sold publicly at 5k and later sold for over 30k privately a year later. If I wanted to buy OR sell another example of that card, I think it is vital to know what it sold for privately.
3. If the guy you are selling the card to says "but you only paid X for it," he is just as likely to quote you the vcp anyway, so who cares?

Of course you do. You want to be in the game, without spending a lot of time to acquire niche knowledge that professionals use to make their profits and as professionals, they want there to be less of them so there is room to make the profits they need.

Revert back to my last post. The last thing I want you doing is justifying your offer on my purchase price when I am trying to make a profit on a card. This is not hard to understand.

On rare stuff, lots of things don't make it into VCP. There is simply no category for them. Think about how to price all of the t206 errors, miscuts, oddities. There is nothing to go, on other than the past sales of that exact card.

[orly57]

"Of course you do. You want to be in the game, without spending a lot of time to acquire niche knowledge that professionals use to make their profits..."


It is like you are staring into my soul.

[rainier2004]

If you are trying to sell something truly rare, a dozen copies or less, and there hasn't been a public sale in years, I do NOT want my purchase of the card out there. I have had this used against me in these scenarios, I can call them all the names I want but in the end I want their money. I have spent years chasing cards following private sales as none make it to public auction. It is a lot of work and all the scenarios are different. Selling is completely different if you HAVE to sell the card versus not.

Its just hard to believe that some people simply cannot understand the opposite side here. I understand you want your info, you think we are silly but we disagree...and that is ok. No one is ripping someone off or even being rude.

[orly57]

There is an obvious dividing-line on this issue between guys who sell for a living and guys who are primarily collectors who sell on occasion. I don't think either side is necessarily wrong here. My point is, who cares if we know what you paid for a '48-49 Leaf Jackie PSA 3 on the board? We all know the card sells in the neighborhood of $1,500.00. Ebay, VCP, and auction results tell us as much. But I am sure that you guys, as sellers, have your reasons. No one is wrong here. Just a lively discussion is all.

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by orly57

There is an obvious dividing-line on this issue between guys who sell for a living and guys who are primarily collectors who sell on occasion. I don't think either side is necessarily wrong here. My point is, who cares if we know what you paid for a '48-49 Leaf Jackie PSA 3 on the board? We all know the card sells in the neighborhood of $1,500.00. Ebay, VCP, and auction results tell us as much. But I am sure that you guys, as sellers, have your reasons. No one is wrong here. Just a lively discussion is all.

I am not a dealer, I hate selling cards and rarely do. And you are right, who cares about a card that always has examples on ebay...if there were only 8 copies of that card and you had one you may feel differently.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

I am not a dealer, I hate selling cards and rarely do. And you are right, who cares about a card that always has examples on ebay...if there were only 8 copies of that card and you had one you may feel differently.

Not if it goes for big money! And if it doesn't, then my card ISN'T WORTH BIG BUCKS, and such is life!!!!!!!!! You gotta take the good with the bad. I collect rare cobb postcards. If someone sold a Cobb postcard on here that I also own, and it goes for huge money, then great: I want the world to know. And if it does NOT, then that is the market, and I don't care to hide it from everyone in hopes I can scam them later. I am done with this topic, but have at it.

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by orly57

Not if it goes for big money! And if it doesn't, then my card ISN'T WORTH BIG BUCKS, and such is life!!!!!!!!! You gotta take the good with the bad. I collect rare cobb postcards. If someone sold a Cobb postcard on here that I also own, and it goes for huge money, then great: I want the world to know. And if it does NOT, then that is the market, and I don't care to hide it from everyone in hopes I can scam them later. I am done with this topic, but have at it.

I agree with ya there Orly, but you are neither the buyer nor the seller in that scenario.

How exactly does the hobby progress with price information anyway? It does nothing for the hobby itself. And no, I am not a dealer in any way and never have been.

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

If you are trying to sell something truly rare, a dozen copies or less, and there hasn't been a public sale in years, I do NOT want my purchase of the card out there. I have had this used against me in these scenarios, I can call them all the names I want but in the end I want their money. I have spent years chasing cards following private sales as none make it to public auction. It is a lot of work and all the scenarios are different. Selling is completely different if you HAVE to sell the card versus not.

Its just hard to believe that some people simply cannot understand the opposite side here. I understand you want your info, you think we are silly but we disagree...and that is ok. No one is ripping someone off or even being rude.

Exactly this. Yes.