Nolan Ryan 7/30/90 300th win

[certainteed52]

Hi Doug and Steve the big words here is PROBABLY and REASONABLE DOUBT no one has ever provided any proof to say it is not why is it so hard to say that Nolan Ryan could have gave his friend one of his 300th win game baseball.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by certainteed52

Hi Doug and Steve the big words here is PROBABLY and REASONABLE DOUBT no one has ever provided any proof to say it is not why is it so hard to say that Nolan Ryan could have gave his friend one of his 300th win game baseball.

Probably for the same reason you can't say this ball has an even better chance of passing through Al Clark's hands. None of us was there. How about you provide some proof that it is?

You, sir, are vested in this being a ball from Ryan's 300th win. And it quite possibly could be. But most of us are looking at it from a more scientific standpoint: prove it's RIGHT. And there are too many reasons to believe it's not.

Sorry.

[certainteed52]

For example,in criminal cases, the BURDEN OF PROVING the defendant's guilt is on the prosecution,and they must establish that fact beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Bestdj777]

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[certainteed52]

If this was just about the baseball I would agree but this about AL umpire Durwood Merrill some of the opinions are coming close to saying he committed FRAUD.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by certainteed52

If this was just about the baseball I would agree but this about AL umpire Durwood Merrill some of the opinions are coming close to saying he committed FRAUD.

It is easier for me to believe that Durwood Merrill committed fraud than it is to believe that the ball is from Nolan Ryan's 300th victory.

Merrill was not at the game.

The home plate umpire who was at the game went to prison for fraud, in regards to baseball from this game.

Merrill could have been given the ball by the home plate umpire who worked the game, and been told that it was from that game, and believed him, so he didn't necessarily commit fraud, but the ball can't be proven to be real, either way.

The ball COULD be real. Maybe. Possibly.

Probably not.

Doug

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by certainteed52

For example,in criminal cases, the BURDEN OF PROVING the defendant's guilt is on the prosecution,and they must establish that fact beyond a reasonable doubt.

Yes, exactly, and in this case the "defendant's guilt" = "ball being from Ryan's 300th game".

That makes you the prosecution.

Doug "the hanging judge" Goodman

[certainteed52]

My original post was about the date on the baseball not about it legitimacy and some of the opinion move it to where we are now.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by certainteed52

My original post was about the date on the baseball not about it legitimacy and some of the opinion move it to where we are now.

When you open Pandora's Box to get something, you are stuck with everything that comes out.

[certainteed52]

Doug you are so right!!!

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by certainteed52

My original post was about the date on the baseball not about it legitimacy and some of the opinion move it to where we are now.

Remember, I'm the guy who thinks that the wrong date is easy to explain. See post #6 in this thread.

Doug "at least the autograph is real" Goodman

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by certainteed52

Hi Doug and Steve the big words here is PROBABLY and REASONABLE DOUBT no one has ever provided any proof to say it is not why is it so hard to say that Nolan Ryan could have gave his friend one of his 300th win game baseball.

The important part of this conversation is that you can not prove that the ball is from that game.

This thread started because YOU were questioning the ball.

Doug "Believe what you want" Goodman

[certainteed52]

Hi Doug Yes you are right but that could go for 90% of any game used memorabilia.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by certainteed52

Hi Doug Yes you are right but that could go for 90% of any game used memorabilia.

Yep, which is why I do not buy game used memorabilia.

Doug "if you can't prove it's real, then it's not" Goodman

[Scott Garner]

Provenance is literally everything with game used collectibles, otherwise it's a leap of faith....

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

Provenance is literally everything with game used collectibles, otherwise it's a leap of faith....

And even provenance can turn into a leap of faith.

Before Al Clark got caught and went to prison, his word, as the home plate umpire for the game, would have been considered good provenance.

But then it wasn't.

Doug "just about everybody has a price" Goodman

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

And even provenance can turn into a leap of faith.

Before Al Clark got caught and went to prison, his word, as the home plate umpire for the game, would have been considered good provenance.

But then it wasn't.

Doug "just about everybody has a price" Goodman

Yup