Are Bonds/Clemens desirable autographs for you?

[mattjc1983]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't see myself ever having any interest in them. Same would go for Palmeiro, one of the few to have 500 homers and 3,000 hits. I could never bring myself to buy something knowing it really meant nothing.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel from a steroid standpoint. I have autos because the #'s are meaningful to me (Rose, Henderson) or I like the player.

With Bonds/Clemens, I don't trust the #'s, and I don't like the players. Yes, they both were probably Hall of Famers without steroids, but since I don't know how much they were aided, it just loses a lot of my interest.

Again though, I am admittedly putting them in a bucket that a lot of other players (including some I have autos of) probably belong in. They just were much bigger jerks about it. I always liked Bagwell, and whether or not he did steroids, he did himself a favor by not being so antagonistic. Same with Piazza.

And don't get me started on Clemens' headhunting, the two Piazza incidents specifically. There was a not insignificant reduction in his beanball rate when he moved to the National League. Guy was a coward.


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[mcgwirecom]

Like em or hate em, they will go into the HOF. Then interest will rise and prices will go up. Years from now another generation won't understand or care about steroids, all they will see is the numbers and they will collect them.

[yanksfan09]

Originally Posted by mcgwirecom

Like em or hate em, they will go into the HOF. Then interest will rise and prices will go up. Years from now another generation won't understand or care about steroids, all they will see is the numbers and they will collect them.

I often wonder if, years from now, with major advances in medical science if all humans will one day be taking brain/strength/performance enhancing substances that will act like steroids and also boost brain function but without the negative side effects. I have no idea how long into the future that may be. But new advances are being made and becoming accepted all the time. Like the blood platelet spinning which aides healing and oxygenates the blood I believe. It seems like HGH is also becoming more accepted and widely used in treating things.

I still hold a grudge against these players too, but I feel they will become more and more accepted in the future. MLB really was just as guilty of letting the culture of steroids permeate baseball and in a way the players were products of their time. Much like people don't fault the Black Sox players because Comiskey was so cheap. A lot of players felt the need to use just to keep up with all the competition.

I don't condone the steroid use and am glad to see MLB has made major strides in cleaning things up, but I'm just saying who knows what people will think of the era in the future...

[mattjc1983]

Originally Posted by yanksfan09

I often wonder if, years from now, with major advances in medical science if all humans will one day be taking brain/strength/performance enhancing substances that will act like steroids and also boost brain function but without the negative side effects. I have no idea how long into the future that may be. But new advances are being made and becoming accepted all the time. Like the blood platelet spinning which aides healing and oxygenates the blood I believe. It seems like HGH is also becoming more accepted and widely used in treating things.



I still hold a grudge against these players too, but I feel they will become more and more accepted in the future. MLB really was just as guilty of letting the culture of steroids permeate baseball and in a way the players were products of their time. Much like people don't fault the Black Sox players because Comiskey was so cheap. A lot of players felt the need to use just to keep up with all the competition.



I don't condone the steroid use and am glad to see MLB has made major strides in cleaning things up, but I'm just saying who knows what people will think of the era in the future...

Jose Canseco seemed to basically be saying this exact thing in Juiced: one day we'll all be taking some kind of "steroid."


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[packs]

I don't know if I agree with that. In my opinion we are moving further and further away from putting chemicals into our bodies. I notice there is a huge movement when it comes to food. People don't want these old style products that are full of antibiotics and preservatives. Where I live people prefer to eat organic and buy their meat from producers who have free range animals. I think we are moving away from adding medications to our lives.

[earlywynnfan]

I remember a few years ago when Brian Roberts was tearing it up, SI did a feature on his new style contact lenses that really focused better than normal ones. So if he's using some sort of bionic contacts, that's great, but if I'm taking muscle enlargers, I'm cheating?? Nobody ever answered me when I asked about that.

To the main topic, I have baseballs signed by all these guys. I never pursued them, but I've kept them, but that's only because I'm a completionist and collect everything. Unfortunately, I agree that in the future nobody will care about steroids (don't think too many care right now,) so when they get in the HOF prices will go up.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't know if I agree with that. In my opinion we are moving further and further away from putting chemicals into our bodies. I notice there is a huge movement when it comes to food. People don't want these old style products that are full of antibiotics and preservatives. Where I live people prefer to eat organic and buy their meat from producers who have free range animals. I think we are moving away from adding medications to our lives.

Thanks to my daughter's intestinal issues, our family has gone this route in the last couple of years. Here in Cleveland, there are many options, but we noticed last month when we vacationed in the south, people looked at us like we were hippie freaks when we asked about plain old gluten-free food.