Unopened 48 Leaf Wax Pack from Mr Mint's RiP "Find"

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

But, the big question is...Would you eat the gum?



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Child's play. I want to see somebody buy an OJ pack and smoke the cigarettes.

[Griffins]

Weren't all of the Leaf packs from the find 2nd series? And Rosen stated that he pulled relatively few Paige's? There is at least one other in existence.
With both end seals popped I strongly doubt this pack is gradeable, might as well break it open.
My bet is $21k on the final close.

[tedzan]

Hey guys

Here's the story on Rosen's 1949 LEAF find. Alan and I talked about these cards back in 1989 when he acquired the 4 unopened 24-count boxes. Each 5-cent
pack had 6 cards in it. And, the originally pink slab of Bubble gum had turned "purple" after 40 years.....(really don't recommend putting it in your mouth).

So, 96 packs x 6 cards each = 576 cards......all from the 2nd (short-printed) series. There was random distribution of the 49 subjects in this series, resulting
on the average of 12 cards each per subject. EXCEPT for Paige, of which there were only 3 cards.

The point I am trying to make here is.....there is almost no chance of this pack having a Paige in it.





..................... 1949 BOWMAN ............................................... 1949 LEAF .........................

[rats60]

If these are 2nd series, then there is no chance at Jackie, Ruth, Dimaggio, Williams, Musial, etc. If you are a long shot at Paige, then what is your expected value by pulling 6 2nd series "common" players?

[Griffins]

Ted- I"m seeing it a different way, but it's a theory.
the facts:
A. all the packs from this find were from the 2nd series, from what Rosen told you and wrote in his book
B. Based on the number of packs there were 576 cards
C. There are only 49 different possible in those 576
D. Based on the known 1st series sheet, Leaf's press sheet was 7 x7, so no short prints The boxing sheet I have is 7 x 7 as well, but we know Graziano got pulled and replaced.
E. Rosen stated he only pulled 3 Paige's.

Based on the above there should be an equal amount of each card, but Rosen stated he only pulled 3 Paige's. We assume this pack is from that find (likely, but not proven unless we can see a card in in. Given that the seals are popped it's not going to grade, you might as well peek) and the other pack I saw in the GAI holder years ago was definitely 2nd series, we know not everything was opened.
Doesn't this lead you to believe that it's more likely that a Paige is in what was left unopened, rather than less likely, since Rosen pulled so few?
Conversely, if Rosen pulled a dozen Doby's or Goodman's or whoever, wouldn't that make it less likely there were any left in the few packs that weren't opened?

[tedzan]

Hi Anthony

What concerns me regarding this pack, is that it appears that it may have been tampered with. And, if so and a Paige was found in it....he no longer is there.

Also, it is documented that BOWMAN sued LEAF in 1949 for the Rights to portray certain players; and, Paige was one of them. This fact factors into my belief
that LEAF pulled many of the Paige cards from their set.


Furthermore, here are 5 subjects that are usually on everyone's wantlist. And, as you know, these guys are very, very tough to find.

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TED Z
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[Griffins]

Ted, I have those same concerns too, along with a few others.

Didn't know about Bowman suing Leaf. But when I was working on this set a few cards were much tougher than they should have been. Paige I understand, his RC, and an iconic player. But a few others were commons.

Given how bad Leaf's press work was it wouldn't surprise me to find their collation, distribution, and legal work weren't just as sloppy.

[philliesphan]

Somewhat of a tangent here-

It's interesting to me that the 1948 Leaf set generally has such low graded populations across the board. A significant number of singles from the 1948 Leaf set (including HOFers) have total graded populations of fewer than 100.

Compare that to 1952 Topps, for instance, where most cards have 300+ examples graded. Even 1933 Goudey has very few examples with fewer than 200 graded.

Definitely seems to highlight either a low value to many cards in the set that doesn't warrant grading, or, perhaps, a significant scarcity compared to many of the other iconic sets of the era.

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Griffins

Ted, I have those same concerns too, along with a few others.

Didn't know about Bowman suing Leaf. But when I was working on this set a few cards were much tougher than they should have been. Paige I understand, his RC, and an iconic player. But a few others were commons.

Given how bad Leaf's press work was it wouldn't surprise me to find their collation, distribution, and legal work weren't just as sloppy.

Anthony

In 1949, Warren Bowman initially sued the LEAF GUM Co. over the Copyright use of the name "BASEBALL BUBBLE GUM". This litigation escalated to the "Contractual Rights"
to portray certain players. I got some of this information from a conversation with Del Ennis in 1981. Incidentally, Ennis is in the 1949 LEAF set. Not the 1949 BOWMAN set.


Furthermore, BOWMAN and LEAF settled this dispute with the following decrees......

1....LEAF was limited to distribution of their 2nd series of Baseball cards (SP series) to Boston area, Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio.

2....LEAF was permitted to market their planned 1949 Foot Ball set in the Fall.

3....BOWMAN was not permitted to market their planned 1949 Foot Ball set.

4....BOWMAN could continue their planned High # Baseball series (cards #145 - 240) for distribution nationwide in the Fall of 1949 (which included Satchell Paige).


..................... 1949 BOWMAN ............................................... 1949 LEAF .........................

[dbrown]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Child's play. I want to see somebody buy an OJ pack and smoke the cigarettes.

Thought of this when I watched this video about a collector opening a 1942 rations pack and bravely smoking one of the cigarettes -- and trying out the gum.

http://boingboing.net/2017/05/17/gen...ear-old-c.html

Cigarette/gum section starts at about 14:00

David