Bad Experience with Fellow Member

[orly57]

Pardon me for not putting on my Team Steven jersey. Both sides are wrong. Tim should refund the money. There is no question about that. This isn't eBay. We are a group of collectors who rely on this being our one safe-haven against these kind of things. If you don't know about grading, then don't claim it is a 3. You can't have it both ways and use an estimated grade as a selling-point, and then use your ignorance of grading as a defense after the fact.
Now a hypothetical question for Steven. You buy a raw card that the seller thought was VG, and send it to grade. The card comes back a 6. Would you send the seller a check for the difference? You can't have it both ways either. You took a risk on a raw card, and what bothers me most is that your chief complaint is that YOU CANT FLIP IT FOR A PROFIT! Not that you feel the card isn't worth what you paid, but rather that you can't make a profit on it!
This thread is just annoying on so many levels.

[Leon]

Tim has PM'd, asked for his account to be deleted, and said he isn't going to refund any money to Stephen. Here is my response....

Hi Tim
We don't delete accounts generally speaking.
That being said I will honor your wish and you have been banned. It was definitely your choice. Happy collecting,
LL

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[Stonepony]

This whole thing kinda stinks. The " give me a refund or I'm going to trash your reputation on the Net54 forum"- left me with the worst taste of all of it.

[jb217676]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

This whole thing kinda stinks. The " give me a refund or I'm going to trash your reputation on the Net54 forum"- left me with the worst taste of all of it.

I agree, I feel some people might think twice about making deals with him if it could lead to a thread like this in the future.

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Originally Posted by jb217676

I agree, I feel some people might think twice about making deals with him if it could lead to a thread like this in the future.

Ok I think a lot of you are listening to what he said seriously when it's not the case.

1. I politely asked for a refund

2. He said no. (Answered in less than 10 mins)

3. I said I don't want to but I will take it to the board. Gave him a hour to get back to me ( no answer, after he admits reading it in that time frame) .

4. I then contacted him again say please let's settle this as the last thing I wanna do is make the thread. ( no answer)

5. Then I contacted him again!! ( no answer)

In total I gave him 4 hours almost to rectify the issue. I know he always answers quick as every correspondence we've ever had was quick.

6. I then posted and deleted. Feeling bad and still wanting to give him a chance.


Those are facts so please don't get the picture of me rushing him to a decision. I just felt robbed.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Leon

Tim has PM'd, asked for his account to be deleted, and said he isn't going to refund any money to Stephen. Here is my response....

Hi Tim
We don't delete accounts generally speaking.
That being said I will honor your wish and you have been banned. It was definitely your choice. Happy collecting,
LL

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It's hard to believe that someone's reputation means so little to them that they would do this over a couple hundred dollars.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Sean

It's hard to believe that someone's reputation means so little to them that they would do this over a couple hundred dollars.

When your wife says she has to get the kitchen redone . . . well, we've all been there . . . .

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

When your wife says she has to get the kitchen redone . . . well, we've all been there . . . .

I've never been married, so maybe that's why I have trouble understanding.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

When your wife says she has to get the kitchen redone . . . well, we've all been there . . . .

LOL, that is so true. I have learned 2 things from 19 years of marriage. 1) If she asks you to do something, 99.99% of the time it is easiest to shut up and do it. 2) It is way easier to get forgiven than permission.

[HRBAKER]

Kitchens are expensive but it's cheaper to keep her.

[Republicaninmass]

He said he wanted to pay a "2" price initially


Vcp psa 2 average 273
Less grading, and less ebay pp fees and you only paid 250?

Just cause "it ain't a three" you still paid for a 2 as you requested and was obviously how you felt it would grade


Edited to add below:



"Message #2

(I do not have a sent mailbox set up apparently) so it went something like...

I am offering you a price based on a 2 not a 3"

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

When your wife says she has to get the kitchen redone . . . well, we've all been there . . . .

Well he lost an avenue to sell cards to get the kitchen redone....but for $250...maybe he is upgrading paper mache...to cardboard....at least its an upgrade and will remind him of the cardboard he sold

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Sean

It's hard to believe that someone's reputation means so little to them that they would do this over a couple hundred dollars.

Not even as he would have had the card back and it obviously has some value, being a Mantle. Loser.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by orly57

Pardon me for not putting on my Team Steven jersey. Both sides are wrong. Tim should refund the money. There is no question about that. This isn't eBay. We are a group of collectors who rely on this being our one safe-haven against these kind of things. If you don't know about grading, then don't claim it is a 3. You can't have it both ways and use an estimated grade as a selling-point, and then use your ignorance of grading as a defense after the fact.
Now a hypothetical question for Steven. You buy a raw card that the seller thought was VG, and send it to grade. The card comes back a 6. Would you send the seller a check for the difference? You can't have it both ways either. You took a risk on a raw card, and what bothers me most is that your chief complaint is that YOU CANT FLIP IT FOR A PROFIT! Not that you feel the card isn't worth what you paid, but rather that you can't make a profit on it!
This thread is just annoying on so many levels.

Someone buying to flip is as entitled to be happy with a card, and to receive accurate disclosures, as someone buying for his collection. I don't see why it makes a difference. Not that I am on Team Steven either, I don't think he handled this particularly well, but he's young I think and will learn.

[orly57]

What I meant, Peter, is that inherent in that statement is the idea that he can get his money back FROM ANOTHER BUYER, but not make a profit. This would mean (gasp) that he paid fair market value for it.

[Leon]

If you buy something from me and I misrepresented it,
intentionally or unintentionally, don't you think you deserve a timely refund?

Originally Posted by orly57

What I meant, Peter, is that inherent in that statement is the idea that he can get his money back, but not make a profit. This would mean (gasp) that he paid fair market value for it.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by Leon

If you buy something from me and I misrepresented it,
intentionally or unintentionally, don't you think you deserve a timely refund?

Please see the ENTIRE FIRST PARAGRAPH of my initial post. The fact that I am annoyed by his reasoning doesn't mean I don't think he should get his money back.

[Leon]

I did.

Originally Posted by orly57

Please see the ENTIRE FIRST PARAGRAPH of my initial post.