Worst player in any Hall of Fame

[clydepepper]

Worst or Least Deserving Baseball Hall-of-Famers* - IMHO

*-those elected primarily based on their MLB record as a player.

in no particular order -after the first one anyway:

Tommy McCarthy
Rick Ferrell
Jesse Haines
Fred Lindstrom
Jim Bunning
Don Drysdale
Rube Marquard
Eppa Rixey
Jack Chesbro
Ed Walsh
Lloyd Waner
Victor Willis
Joe Gordon
Chuck Klein
Phil Rizzuto
Peewee Reese
Ray Schalk
...
and, to be sure...Tinker to Evers to Chance.



Also IMHO, Minnie Minoso and Luis Tiant, Jr. were better than any of these.

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[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Worst or Least Deserving Baseball Hall-of-Famers* - IMHO

*-those elected primarily based on their MLB record as a player.

in no particular order -after the first one anyway:

Tommy McCarthy
Rick Ferrell
Jesse Haines
Fred Lindstrom
Jim Bunning
Don Drysdale
Rube Marquard
Eppa Rixey
Jack Chesbro
Ed Walsh
Lloyd Waner
Victor Willis
Joe Gordon
Chuck Klein
Phil Rizzuto
Peewee Reese
Ray Schalk
...
and, to be sure...Tinker to Evers to Chance.



Also IMHO, Minnie Minoso and Luis Tiant, Jr. were better than any of these.

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Have to take issue with Pee Wee being on this list. Most people allow for wartime adjustments, but even with losing 3 PRIME years to WWII (age 24 - 26) he had a WAR of 66. In all likelihood that would be at least 84 with those three years back. He had a 5.7 the year before the war and a 6 the year back from the war so his war WAR should be in that range, possibly better.

Most guys at 66 WAR are in the HOF, at 84 you're a shoo-in. other numbers adjusted conservatively for those three missing years:

Runs 1580
Hits 2620
2b 390
3b 100
hr 138
rbi 1150

Those are HOF raw numbers to me for a shortstop even if he wasn't considered a superior fielder (which he was) if you prefer raw numbers.

I do agree that TIant is far superior to a number of enshrined pitches, as are Jim Kaat and Tommy John, that doesn't necessarily mean I think they belong either though.

[irv]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Worst or Least Deserving Baseball Hall-of-Famers* - IMHO

*-those elected primarily based on their MLB record as a player.

in no particular order -after the first one anyway:

Tommy McCarthy
Rick Ferrell
Jesse Haines
Fred Lindstrom
Jim Bunning
Don Drysdale
Rube Marquard
Eppa Rixey
Jack Chesbro
Ed Walsh
Lloyd Waner
Victor Willis
Joe Gordon
Chuck Klein
Phil Rizzuto
Peewee Reese
Ray Schalk
...
and, to be sure...Tinker to Evers to Chance.



Also IMHO, Minnie Minoso and Luis Tiant, Jr. were better than any of these.

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It's a travesty that Minnie Minoso is not in the Hall of Fame.

It just boggles the mind how the HOF let this happen.
http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/news...f1utvju92wsadk
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...e-hall-of-fame

[steve B]

Namath is STILL pretty amazing.

I saw a show where he visited the Jets camp. He watched some practice scrimmage, and one young QB was doing pretty badly. After checking with the coach Namath took the kid aside and told him something about how his feet were in the wrong position and moving too much and that was why he wasn't throwing hard enough or accurately enough to avoid the defense. The sent one of the recievers out. Reciever goes out like 10-15 yards, and Namath tells him "no, go OUT...I can still throw" and drops a pass right in his hands maybe 40 yards out. In street clothes, dress shoes, and at probably around 70 years old.

Kid tries it, lots of instant improvement. Gets back into practice, goes a few downs, gets sloppy again. Gets called over for a refresher by Namath and seems to either not get it or have excuses. Namath shrugs says some thing like well, it's your career, and walks away. The coach didn't look too happy with the new guy.

Steve B

[packs]

Burleigh Grimes

Managers:

Whitey Herzog, why him? One title.

[ronniehatesjazz]

Have no clue how guys like Namath and Ripken are even being mentioned... Overrated? Sure but definitely HOF caliber.

How are people not talking about Roger Bresnahan?

[Donscards]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Worst or Least Deserving Baseball Hall-of-Famers* - IMHO

*-those elected primarily based on their MLB record as a player.

in no particular order -after the first one anyway:

Tommy McCarthy
Rick Ferrell
Jesse Haines
Fred Lindstrom
Jim Bunning
Don Drysdale
Rube Marquard
Eppa Rixey
Jack Chesbro
Ed Walsh
Lloyd Waner
Victor Willis
Joe Gordon
Chuck Klein
Phil Rizzuto
Peewee Reese
Ray Schalk
...
and, to be sure...Tinker to Evers to Chance.



Also IMHO, Minnie Minoso and Luis Tiant, Jr. were better than any of these.

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What about Enos Slaughter.

[Tabe]

Enos had a career OPS+ of 124 and WAR of 55.3. Not exactly HOF-caliber but far, far from the worst in the HOF.

Of the names mentioned so far, at least for baseball, is either Ray Schalk (career OPS+ of 83) or Phil Rizzuto are the worst. Rizzuto stole an MVP in 1950 and, other than that, basically did nothing his whole career. Schalk did less than that.

[Tabe]

If we go with "least-deserving" instead of "worst", Candy Cummings has a case for the baseball HOF. Just 6 years in the bigs and a probably-not-true story of inventing the curveball are his creds. He was pretty good for 5 of his 6 years, hence the "not worst" but still...6 years.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Tabe

If we go with "least-deserving" instead of "worst", Candy Cummings has a case for the baseball HOF. Just 6 years in the bigs and a probably-not-true story of inventing the curveball are his creds. He was pretty good for 5 of his 6 years, hence the "not worst" but still...6 years.

He was elected as a Pioneer, not as a player.

[packs]

I always thought Bobby Cox was another poor choice as a manager. The guy managed forever, sure, but he only won 1 World Series.

[bn2cardz]

I can't speak to any other HOF as I don't follow other sports. As far as baseball I have always thought Lloyd Waner. Yet Rick Ferrell apparently may have been elected by mistake and his vote caused some controversy at the time according to Jack O'Connell, the secretary-treasurer of the Baseball Writers Association of America:

There were a couple of people that the Veterans Committee put in that… and I don’t want to pick on this guy, because he’s a wonderful person, but the election of Rick Ferrell—who wasn’t even the best player in his family—really irritated people. The Veterans Committee was putting people in left and right, and then Rick Ferrell, who was only on our ballot for three years and got three total votes, got in. He was a popular guy, and he was the farm director for the Tigers for many, many years, and the story I heard was that Jim Campbell had called a few of the Veterans Committee members and said, “Look, just don’t let him get shut out. Throw him a vote.” Well, the guy ended up getting nine votes, so he got elected.

- from http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...rticleid=12754

[dgo71]

Relevant article I stumbled across:

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/list...r1xw44ezkh7u7e

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

He was elected as a Pioneer, not as a player.

Doesn't really change the fact that he's not deserving.

[packs]

I don't know about that. If he really did invent the curveball that innovation is still in practice today.

[egri]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Eppa Rixey

I heard a story somewhere that when Rixey got the call telling him he had been inducted, he said "Me? They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel!"