The Chicago Cracker Jack Find

[Leon]

I wonder if it is because Beckett owns Goodwin?

Originally Posted by T205 GB

Damn if they could only have waited a few more months and brought them to the show that would have been a great find! Why Beckett grading though?

[samosa4u]

Beckett has a very small market share when it comes to vintage cards. If I was the owner of these Cracker Jacks, I would not have given it to them for encapsulation. I believe that whoever wins these cards will crack them out.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Leon

I wonder if it is because Beckett owns Goodwin?

Possibly. The article just says a friend told him to send them to beckett. My guess is this friend also has limited hobby knowledge but remembered the magazine or Googled something. Too bad their search didn't lead them here first. Cool story though. Hard to believe those cards could have just been sitting in some shoebox for the last 100 years.

[AGuinness]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Possibly. The article just says a friend told him to send them to beckett. My guess is this friend also has limited hobby knowledge but remembered the magazine or Googled something. Too bad their search didn't lead them here first. Cool story though. Hard to believe those cards could have just been sitting in some shoebox for the last 100 years.

Or the "friend" had an affiliation with Beckett already.

How does it work if one of the winners does crack the slab and submit the card to PSA or SGC, when it comes to the label and the "Chicago Cracker Jack Find" denotation? Would PSA/SGC put that on? If not, I'm guessing there is a small risk of reducing the potential resale price as I think sometimes these labels (Black Swamp Find, etc.) might demand a small premium, right?

[Stonepony]

My guess would be that in a year there won't be many of these cards in a " Chicago find" slab. It would make no difference to me anyway.

[tiger8mush]

So much fuss about the slab. PSA 8, BVG 5, SGC 7 ... its the same beautiful card!

[Republicaninmass]

I always thought it hurt the black swamp cards. People read about it and see so many ultra high grade cards which dessimated the pop report and prices

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

So much fuss about the slab. PSA 8, BVG 5, SGC 7 ... its the same beautiful card!

Agreed as far as esthetics go, but if resale is the sole motivator, then slab can make a big difference.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by iowadoc77

Agreed as far as esthetics go, but if resale is the sole motivator, then slab can make a big difference.

For the record I have always thought BVG has done a very good job at grading. Their market values don't usually reflect it though. Regardless, these are a great new find and will do fine.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by iowadoc77

Agreed as far as esthetics go, but if resale is the sole motivator, then slab can make a big difference.

I think you'd need your head examined to slab vintage cards at Beckett that are for resale. You'd be literally throwing money away.

[sushihotwings]

I am going to out on a limb and say collectors are giving Beckett holders a closer look even with vintage because of the security. Counterfeit PSA holders are creeping into the hobby with ever increasing sophistication. BGS holders do not seem to have the same problem.

D@ve L@m0nt

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

My guess would be that in a year there won't be many of these cards in a " Chicago find" slab. It would make no difference to me anyway.

i think the designation is neat on the slab especially when there is only one of each card. The black swamp find cards- just too many of them and initial excitement has given way to lackluster prices due to flooding of the pop reports as mentioned earlier. That being said, not sure there is much of a premium given to cards from a particular find.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Leon

I wonder if it is because Beckett owns Goodwin?

From what I have heard, Bill is allowed to send his cards to any of the three major TPG's. However, I do believe Andy B. is as good if not better than anyone at the other grading companies and I'd wager he was the one who graded those cards

Rich

[T_Hamilton]

If cracked and sent to PSA, do you think they will mark "Chicago Cracker Jack Find" on the slab?

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

If cracked and sent to PSA, do you think they will mark "Chicago Cracker Jack Find" on the slab?

No. They might if you ask them about it first and submit without cracking though.

[CrackaJackKid]

At least with this find being graded by Beckett I feel the likelihood of card doctoring/altering is very low compared to if they had been graded by PSA. Everyone knows the Stockton find of CJ's were all soaked/steamed right before being graded by PSA.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by CrackaJackKid

At least with this find being graded by Beckett I feel the likelihood of card doctoring/altering is very low compared to if they had been graded by PSA. Everyone knows the Stockton find of CJ's were all soaked/steamed right before being graded by PSA.

Those had to be removed from an album so they had to steam them out which is why they all look that way. Don't know if I'd call that doctoring/altering when it comes to CJ's as most think it's ok to soak the caramel stains out.

[CrackaJackKid]

I'd say a fair assumption is over 90% of the 14s left the factory with caramel stains and that once inserted in a box it was enevitable I'd say it is altering. And for PSA to receive a near set completely stain free..I'm sure they were aware of how they were removed. These "investors" with money burning a hole in their pocket apparently either don't know the history of them or don't care they have been soaked. This is just my opinion. Everyone has one.

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

Those had to be removed from an album so they had to steam them out which is why they all look that way. Don't know if I'd call that doctoring/altering when it comes to CJ's as most think it's ok to soak the caramel stains out.

Steam or water will NOT make a CJ look like that. There is no way h2o made those cards look like that.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by CrackaJackKid

At least with this find being graded by Beckett I feel the likelihood of card doctoring/altering is very low compared to if they had been graded by PSA. Everyone knows the Stockton find of CJ's were all soaked/steamed right before being graded by PSA.

When I see a high end card in a Beckett holder I react the same way I do when I see one in a GAI holder -- I presume the card is altered. Why else would someone go to Beckett for cards to be sold at auction when it would be almost impossible not to know that SGC and PSA cards will sell higher?

[CrackaJackKid]

I've seen a lot of cards in multiple slabs from psa all getting different grades each time. There was a 14 CJ Matty that was submitted 4 times receiving A first two times,a 2 the 3rd and a 4 on the 4th try. So PSA is no better in my opinion. People only favor their slabs for the registry. My comment towards Beckett was intended to mean that I don't feel there was any alterations done to the cards prior to Beckett grading them and Beckett knowing it. If you're an auction house or a big spender with psa they will look past a lot for grading. The Stockton find is a perfect example plus the DiMaggio card as well.

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Why else would someone go to Beckett for cards to be sold at auction when it would be almost impossible not to know that SGC and PSA cards will sell higher?

Correct me if I'm wrong here ... as I very well could be. But its obvious that most of these cards are low-mid grade and unaltered. They don't have razor sharp corners so trimming isn't an issue, and many display caramel marks or staining that make it seem like chemical soaking isn't an issue. What else is there to worry about? The grading seems to be pretty consistent and honest with most of the grades falling between 1 and 4. Tough to screw that up. If these were high grades in the 6 to 9 area I'd probably agree that registry money would garner more attention. But whoever buys the Cobb and Matty and JJ can spend $500 and get them crossed to their TPG of choice to put in the registry.

I don't see a lot of (if any) money being left on the table here. Goodwin is a major auction house. I think the CJs will do just fine as the early spirited bidding would suggest.

[orly57]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

If cracked and sent to PSA, do you think they will mark "Chicago Cracker Jack Find" on the slab?

I guarantee you they won't. Last June, I considered buying the 52 mantle on LOTG that came from a big find in Texas. It was a far bigger find than this one (the guy had albums and albums of cards). Before bidding, I reached out to psa to see if they would relabel it (they knew it was from that find, and didn't put it on the label). I was told that the find was too "small" for them to label it.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by T_Hamilton

If cracked and sent to PSA, do you think they will mark "Chicago Cracker Jack Find" on the slab?

PSA will slab it saying anything you want. It is a service they provide I believe it costs $5 per card in addition to the grading fees. SGC does the same.

EDIT: hmmm I went to post the link to this service and I can't find it anymore. It used to be no big deal. Like I said you could ask them to put almost anything on the slab like Marshall Fogel Collection, Dmitri Young Collection, Bob's Collection etc... Maybe they don't offer that anymore. Anyone who buys a lot of cards has seen the infamous "Collector's Collection" cards from SGC. Yup somebody paid to put the most generic thing imaginable on their slabs. I personally have had hundreds of these pass through my hands. I probably still have some. I have seen thousands.