May 17th and no no hitter yet?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

How much of a better chance? 10%? Now you see why i get annoyed with the 'almost no hitter' in the NL.....because no hitters in the NL arent even worth the same as AL no hitters...

You can be a pitcher and have a .070 on base percentage on the year ..but try that being a DH..see how long you will stay in the lineup.

Leagues make rule changes based on 20 years of history (thus they look at modern trends as reality) so you cant just say its only 20 years of history and we need to go back to 1970 as someone else stated... Its not even close as far as how many NL no hitters there have been versus AL in the last 20 years. Lets see the next 2 out of 3 no hitters be in AL parks before we bring this back up.

Chase Anderson goes 7 innings of no hit ball? Yet another almost NL no hitter C'mon


Plus 1 hitters with no walks are a lot more impressive than no hitters with 5 walks....chase had at least 3 walks yesterday..

[frankbmd]

So if I am reading this thread correctly, only no-hitters in the American League after the institution of the DH in 1973 are valid.

Therefore Sandy Koufax has zero career no-hitters.

Nolan Ryan had a combination of AL no-hitters and NL almost no-hitters.

I'm not sure if any HOF pitchers have mention of no-hitters on their plaque in Cooperstown, but if so, inserting the word "almost" on their plaque could be problematic. Would an asterisk (a la Maris) be sufficient?

And what about poor Johnny Vandermeer. Would his double no-hitter be wiped off the books completely or would it be considered an "almost" double no-hitter.

In summation, I would be willing to bet that not one of the proponents of the DH rule change for the American League realized that their proposal would invalidate all prior no-hitters.

I say "long live the Almost No-Hitter".

For clarity of the linguistics involved, I would propose a different term for no-hitters broken up in the late innings, and would suggest calling these "Nearly No-Nos".

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

So if I am reading this thread correctly, only no-hitters in the American League after the institution of the DH in 1973 are valid.

Therefore Sandy Koufax has zero career no-hitters.

Nolan Ryan had a combination of AL no-hitters and NL almost no-hitters.

I'm not sure if any HOF pitchers have mention of no-hitters on their plaque in Cooperstown, but if so, inserting the word "almost" on their plaque could be problematic. Would an asterisk (a la Maris) be sufficient?

And what about poor Johnny Vandermeer. Would his double no-hitter be wiped off the books completely or would it be considered an "almost" double no-hitter.

In summation, I would be willing to bet that not one of the proponents of the DH rule change for the American League realized that their proposal would invalidate all prior no-hitters.

I say "long live the Almost No-Hitter".

For clarity of the linguistics involved, I would propose a different term for no-hitters broken up in the late innings, and would suggest calling these "Nearly No-Nos".

No you are not reading it correct. I said after 1973, that NL no hitters are worth MORE than AL no hitters (from 1973 and on) Sandy Koufax is safe.. I proposed 10% more value to the NL no hitter or you can have AL no hitters be worth 10% less. Pitch counts and various other factors I contend are showing that NL no hitters are trending to be much easier. (at least 16 of the last 20 no hitters have been in NL Parks).

It was last year with all of the 'nearly no-no's that occurred in the NL is what made me come up with this. Plus the chris hestons of the world

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

No you are not reading it correct. I said after 1973, that NL no hitters are worth MORE than AL no hitters (from 1973 and on) Sandy Koufax is safe.. I proposed 10% more value to the NL no hitter or you can have AL no hitters be worth 10% less. Pitch counts and various other factors I contend are showing that NL no hitters are trending to be much easier. (at least 16 of the last 20 no hitters have been in NL Parks).

It was last year with all of the 'nearly no-no's that occurred in the NL is what made me come up with this. Plus the chris hestons of the world

So NL no-hitters are worth 10% more, because the pitchers have to face opposing pitchers instead of DHs. Gosh, I would have thought just the opposite. Are you sure?

Your analysis gives me a headache. I am old school and have been opposed to the DH for 44 years. Why on earth do the two major leagues playing the same game, baseball, have to have different rules.

Packer touchdowns should worth 6 points, but Patriot touchdowns should be worth 5 points.

Raise the basket to eleven feet for LeBron and lower it to nine feet for Curry. Curry is shorter after all.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

So NL no-hitters are worth 10% more, because the pitchers have to face opposing pitchers instead of DHs. Gosh, I would have thought just the opposite. Are you sure?

Your analysis gives me a headache. I am old school and have been opposed to the DH for 44 years. Why on earth do the two major leagues playing the same game, baseball, have to have different rules.

Packer touchdowns should worth 6 points, but Patriot touchdowns should be worth 5 points.

Raise the basket to eleven feet for LeBron and lower it to nine feet for Curry. Curry is shorter after all.

sorry, NL no hitters are worth less is what i probably said on 20 prior posts...thats what i meant.

Now that you bring up Curry, i do think the 3 pointers are hurting the NBA as well. You always have the 3 point shot available. Really hard to guard inside and outside. There should e some type of a 3 second rule for those guys that just wait within 2 feet beyind the 3 point line. Just too much of a reward for jacking up 3s. .

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Chase Anderson goes 7 innings of no hit ball? Yet another almost NL no hitter C'mon


Plus 1 hitters with no walks are a lot more impressive than no hitters with 5 walks....chase had at least 3 walks yesterday..

Now you're getting wound up about non-no hit games? LOL!


I think I'm going to start an autograph collage. All pitchers (AL only) who had their no-hitters broken up after 7 innings.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Now you're getting wound up about non-no hit games? LOL!


I think I'm going to start an autograph collage. All pitchers (AL only) who had their no-hitters broken up after 7 innings.

I used to email with Brian Holman who lost a perfect game with 2 out in the bottom of the 9th. He gave up a homer to Ken Phelps(his last) before striking out Ricky Henderson to finish the game.

I have a few of his cards autographed, if anybody would like one PM me your address.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I used to email with Brian Holman who lost a perfect game with 2 out in the bottom of the 9th. He gave up a homer to Ken Phelps(his last) before striking out Ricky Henderson to finish the game.

I have a few of his cards autographed, if anybody would like one PM me your address.

Oh no! Somebody called me on my bluff.

[clydepepper]

breaks the drought.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

breaks the drought.

Well at least 9/10th of a no hitter cause its in the NL.....18 of the last 21 now in NL ballpark.... 1 hitter with no walks still better as well

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Well at least 9/10th of a no hitter cause its in the NL.....18 of the last 21 now in NL ballpark.... 1 hitter with no walks still better as well

Not if that 1 hit was a HR and it cost you the game.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Well at least 9/10th of a no hitter cause its in the NL.....18 of the last 21 now in NL ballpark.... 1 hitter with no walks still better as well

First there was Tommy John surgery, a universally accepted eponym, and now there is a proposed rule change known as the "Jake NL No No Equivalency Option" which reads as follows:

"Whereas a National League pitcher benefits from facing up to three unqualified hitters, the opposing pitchers, during a nine inning no-hitter instead of three accomplished designated batsmen that an AL pitcher must face to achieve his no-hitter and no doubt the NL pitcher must feel inferior to his AL counterpart, He shall heretofore be granted the option of facing three additional batters. The result of these at bats shall not impact the outcome of the game, but merely serve to verify the equivalency of the "tainted" NL No No to its AL counterpart.

If any of the three additional batsmen should reach first base safely as the result of a hit, the game ends and the "tainted" NL No No shall remain tainted.

The hit that ends the game in this manner shall not be designated as a "walk off" single, but rather a "Jake off" single, the first Net54 eponym that will proudly take its place beside Tommy John's elbow."