Regarding T206 brown LENOX cards......check-out this theory

[Sean]

Chris Browne told me that there was a second copy of a card being offered for sale at the 2015 National. I don't recall the player. It might have been Schlei. Maybe Chris will join in...

[Pat R]

There are a few of the same player/pose with more than one example.
I don't think there is a way to tell with the SGC pop reports but there
are two of Jordan batting and Frank Smith (Chic & Bos) in the PSA
pop reports.

and here are two different Chase Trophy's
Chase (trophy) Brown Lenox.jpg
Chase (trophy) Brown Lenox 2.jpg

[RedsFan1941]

there are at least 2 brown lajoies with bat

[steve B]

I don't think they can be set down as a printing error.

The time to change the stone on a flatbed press is fairly long, and typically the press would be cleaned after each job. Leftover ink removed, inking rollers and offset blanket cleaned. That way the next job can be setup.

The ink left on the inking rollers would most likely have partly dried and been flaking off for the first few sheets, leaving debris to mess up many of the following sheets.
Bad practice overall.

Now the idea of leftover ink being used to finish a small press run, that might be done.

Steve B

[philliesphan]

I thought there were also two McQuillan Brown Lenox cards known.

Goodwin auctioned one in 2012 (PSA 1) and another in 2013 (SGC A)

[Jobu]

My man! I like how you think

Among us can we find two people who will bring a Cairo Monopol and a Brown Lenox to the National? Perhaps we can even find a scanner and scan them side by side.

Originally Posted by steve B

I don't think they can be set down as a printing error.

The time to change the stone on a flatbed press is fairly long, and typically the press would be cleaned after each job. Leftover ink removed, inking rollers and offset blanket cleaned. That way the next job can be setup.

The ink left on the inking rollers would most likely have partly dried and been flaking off for the first few sheets, leaving debris to mess up many of the following sheets.
Bad practice overall.

Now the idea of leftover ink being used to finish a small press run, that might be done.

Steve B

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Jobu

My man! I like how you think

Among us can we find two people who will bring a Cairo Monopol and a Brown Lenox to the National? Perhaps we can even find a scanner and scan them side by side at the same time.

Bryan, Jim R has owned both at the same time.

post #52 in this thread
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=216722

[Jobu]

Interesting, thanks for the link Pat. They do look pretty different with the Cairo looking a lot blacker than the card in the current thread which looks a bit brown. I guess that torpedoes any thoughts of having ink shared between these two backs, though it doesn't mean that the printer wasn't just using up leftover ink - perhaps the ink for the captions like Sean mentioned.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Jobu

Interesting, thanks for the link Pat. They do look pretty different with the Cairo looking a lot blacker than the card in the current thread which looks a bit brown. I guess that torpedoes any thoughts of having ink shared between these two backs, though it doesn't mean that the printer wasn't just using up leftover ink - perhaps the ink for the captions like Sean mentioned.

Hey Bryan

That Cairo Monopol scan doesn't look right.

I've seen a number of these T80's in my time while collecting this 50-card set, and all the Cairo Monopol cards that I've seen are printed with an unmistakable BROWN ink.

Here again is the scan of my card....and, it is true to it's exact color.





P.S......I think Dan McKee has a Cairo Monopol listed on ebay....if you need to see another example.


TED Z
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[Pat R]

There is no back scan for the one Dan has listed but there is a back
scan for this one that sold recently.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/T80-Military...p2047675.l2557

[Gradedcardman]

Originally Posted by Sean

Chris Browne told me that there was a second copy of a card being offered for sale at the 2015 National. I don't recall the player. It might have been Schlei. Maybe Chris will join in...

Sean, Good memory, that was the Chase Trophy.

[mrvster]

thinking that we need to compare that cairo with brown lenox side by side, hard to do with scans, but in person would work.......both are great theories....

I think the cairo has something to do with it.....since there exists scraps with over and ghosted cards with concurrent printing of other issues/ads simultaneously.....example- t-80 or the men of history, bitters lash, ect

[tedzan]

A week ago (or so) ago, Dan had two T80 Cairo Monopol cards listed on ebay.

Both listings displayed back scans. And, both back scans' printing was clearly BROWN.

So, as I have already stated, the normal color is brown on these T80 cards. There are
varying degrees of shading in the brown ink on the backs of these cards.


So, if a "black" lettering Cairo Monopol T80 exists, it is definitely a printing anomaly.


TED Z
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[Jobu]

Thanks Ted - I guess that torpedo might've missed.

So, is anyone game for getting two of these side by side in Chicago? Maybe several T80s if there is some variation in the ink - the color on the Brown Lenox backs seems pretty consistent to me.

Originally Posted by tedzan

A week ago (or so) ago, Dan had two T80 Cairo Monopol cards listed on ebay.

Both listings displayed back scans. And, both back scans' printing was clearly BROWN.

So, as I have already stated, the normal color is brown on these T80 cards. There are
varying degrees of shading in the brown ink on the backs of these cards.


So, if a "black" lettering Cairo Monopol T80 exists, it is definitely a printing anomaly.


TED Z
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