Top Graders' Compensation

[Corporal Lance Boil]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

That'll become standard practice within the next decade. I don't know of any job (including architect, novelist, surgeon, scientist) that can't be replaced by better-performing computers within the century. Grading a card is child's play.

I agree with your premise that card grading can be performed, or at least interact, with computers.

But I am curious how you think novelists, scientists, or surgeons will be replaced by computers? Architects I don't know, as that is straight mathematics, as best I can tell, but I am not an architect.

Tony Colacino

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by Corporal Lance Boil

I agree with your premise that card grading can be performed, or at least interact, with computers.

But I am curious how you think novelists, scientists, or surgeons will be replaced by computers? Architects I don't know, as that is straight mathematics, as best I can tell, but I am not an architect.

Tony Colacino

Architecture is "straight mathematics"? I assume you must be confusing architects with building engineers or something. Architects design buildings; it's a creative field, like novelists or scientists, though they do have to know about building materials and physics and such.

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

Architecture is "straight mathematics"? I assume you must be confusing architects with building engineers or something. Architects design buildings; it's a creative field, like novelists or scientists, though they do have to know about building materials and physics and such.

I have mixed feelings about AI, but its impact in medicine is already being seen. They (Watson and others like it) can keep completely up to date on all published medical journals, university studies/research, etc (thousands and thousands of pages). They in real can then time aid in a surgeon's decision making, potentially even during a procedure. I'd expect in the longer term, their hands may prove more steady and predictable than a human's, as well as that they can be sized and shaped to fit in tighter spaces.

Separately, AI in the legal world should be interesting given how much research, and/or document review could potentially be done instantaneously, as opposed to using paralegals, associates, etc, and the accompanying human hours.

[Collectorsince62]

Face it, a lot of grading is probably done to enhance the value of cards to be sold. Let's assume many graded cards hit the market soon after they leave the TPG. I worry that cards could be intentionally undergraded, the serial numbers noted, then monitored for sales on Ebay and the AH's. They get purchased by those who know the undergraded serial numbers, and the cards can be resubmitted for a bump.

[ruth-gehrig]

There is at least one, former I believe, SGC grader on the board. Maybe he will speak up or not.

[Dpeck100]

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CLCT/profile?p=CLCT


The CFO makes 315k so using that as a benchmark I would think the head grader makes 125k or so and then the others in the 60k to 80k range.


Just a guess.

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CLCT/profile?p=CLCT


The CFO makes 315k so using that as a benchmark I would think the head grader makes 125k or so and then the others in the 60k to 80k range.


Just a guess.

Graders make $35K-$45k roughly the last time I was pursuing that as a job. Best paid guy was $65k or so

[stlcardsfan]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CLCT/profile?p=CLCT


The CFO makes 315k so using that as a benchmark I would think the head grader makes 125k or so and then the others in the 60k to 80k range.


Just a guess.

Surprised Joe Orlando isn't one of the top 4 paid execs of CU. I guess maybe he is only an employee of PSA and not CU.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Corporal Lance Boil

I agree with your premise that card grading can be performed, or at least interact, with computers.

But I am curious how you think novelists, scientists, or surgeons will be replaced by computers? Architects I don't know, as that is straight mathematics, as best I can tell, but I am not an architect.

Tony Colacino

Frank Lloyd Wright would like a word with you...

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by Corporal Lance Boil

I agree with your premise that card grading can be performed, or at least interact, with computers.

But I am curious how you think novelists, scientists, or surgeons will be replaced by computers? Architects I don't know, as that is straight mathematics, as best I can tell, but I am not an architect.

Tony Colacino

The creative processes are more complicated than,say, grading cards or harvesting corn, but we've already had computers passing the Turing test for many years, and I don't see anything qualitatively different between generating a new conversation in real time and generating a novel. Once you accept that there isn't anything magical about organic material, such as brains, it's just a question of how long it will take before AI is more advanced than humans in any particular domain. And that should take off pretty quickly (to say the least) once you have AI with the ability to make engineering improvements to itself.

The specific comments are mine, but the general idea is the same as what Nick Bostrom and others have been saying for years. The Sam Harris TED talk from last year is a good synopsis.

[drcy]

I don't believe AI has yet to pass the Turing test.

AI/cognitive science is a pet area of mine: A Few Notes on Artificial Intelligence

For the record, I don't think computers could practically grade cards on their own. As an aid to humans I could imagine. And, if they could, it would still be humanly subjective, because humans would still decide (and endlessly debate amongst themselves) what qualities and quantities and in what ratio are essential for a grade.