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Old 06-22-2017, 04:27 PM
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So why isn't there something that can be done towards PWCC? This has been an ongoing topic for the last 8 or 9 years so where does it end? Will Ebay do anything? Good luck with that...
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So why isn't there something that can be done towards PWCC? This has been an ongoing topic for the last 8 or 9 years so where does it end? Will Ebay do anything? Good luck with that...
It ends the same way it has gone, very few people care as long as they have stuff, and they indisputably do.
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It ends the same way it has gone, very few people care as long as they have stuff, and they indisputably do.
I agree Peter, so why do we keep beating the PWCC issues to death? Jeff L said a few years ago that this activity was illegal. So why doesn't anything get done about it? Forget Ebay, they don't give a shit...Is there any group of people that will simply say enough is enough and do something about it? If no, why keep talking about it with no resolve??
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I agree Peter, so why do we keep beating the PWCC issues to death? Jeff L said a few years ago that this activity was illegal. So why doesn't anything get done about it? Forget Ebay, they don't give a shit...Is there any group of people that will simply say enough is enough and do something about it? If no, why keep talking about it with no resolve??
I'm sorry about my confusion, I think the potential illegal activity was pertaining shill bidding....Yet another repetitive topic....
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Because there are people here that are obsessed with PWCC and finding fault with everything they do.
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Because there are people here that are obsessed with PWCC and finding fault with everything they do.
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Yeah really, imagine that. Or maybe they put the target on their own back with the pious choir boy and girl posts which seem at odds with the actual facts, at least sometimes.
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James- I agree. Having said that, why does Brent's auctions continue to bring end of the World prices? It's amazing to me....
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James- I agree. Having said that, why does Brent's auctions continue to bring end of the World prices? It's amazing to me....
In part because there is consistent fraud in Betsy's auctions. Which of course you know which is why you defend them so much -- and probably consign with them as well.

It's comical that the same bullshit we all heard about Mastro ('If they were really doing anything wrong they would get arrested") is what we hear now about PWCC. Do you think that law enforcement is at the ready to investigate every fraud that exists in every corner of the country right now? Or perhaps they have priorities as to what they investigate? And do you really think that the great majority of PWCC defenders aren't either on the payroll, conspire with them or reap the benefits of the fraud that occurs in their auctions? Comeon man, don't play dumb.
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I agree Peter, so why do we keep beating the PWCC issues to death? Jeff L said a few years ago that this activity was illegal. So why doesn't anything get done about it? Forget Ebay, they don't give a shit...Is there any group of people that will simply say enough is enough and do something about it? If no, why keep talking about it with no resolve??
It's a little tougher legally then you might think. According to the UCC a bid isn't a contract until the hammer comes down (or any repeated, recognized way of calling an item sold) so until that time you have a legal right to retract your bid, even in a live auction. That being said the law doesn't make fraud, such as puffing or shilling, legal.
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Scott you are wrong, here's the cliffnotes version.

"In an absolute auction, the seller has agreed to sell for the highest bid, regardless of the amount offered. The role of the auctioneer is to ratify the contract formed between the buyer and the seller. ... Bids above the reserve are binding, with the high bid ratified by the auctioneer when he declares the item sold."
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Scott you are wrong, here's the cliffnotes version.

"In an absolute auction, the seller has agreed to sell for the highest bid, regardless of the amount offered. The role of the auctioneer is to ratify the contract formed between the buyer and the seller. ... Bids above the reserve are binding, with the high bid ratified by the auctioneer when he declares the item sold."
I don't feel that disagrees with what I said. The high bid is only ratified when the item is declared sold. Until that time bids are retractable. I am on vacation, but I will pull my copy of the UCC and share the section I'm talking about when I get home.
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I agree Peter, so why do we keep beating the PWCC issues to death? Jeff L said a few years ago that this activity was illegal. So why doesn't anything get done about it? Forget Ebay, they don't give a shit...Is there any group of people that will simply say enough is enough and do something about it? If no, why keep talking about it with no resolve??
What would you suggest I do about it, other than point out what I see? Would you silence all protesters on the ground that they can't change things?
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The one with 800 retractions is not PWCC, it is/was a Probstein auction. Ebay doesn't care how many retractions a bidder makes so why would they do anything to PWCC. The 10 retraction rule is something PWCC said they would do. It has nothing to do with eBay.
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Serious question, does Ebay have a way of tracking people? Could I have twenty different accounts?
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Yes you could, easily.
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