1934-36 Diamond Stars identification help

[swarmee]

http://www.oldcardboard.com/r/r327/r327list.asp
Are you saying he's reading it wrong? Looks right to me based on the original formatting on the webpage.


#102 Mungo has a 1934 copyright date and 1935 stats.

[brianp-beme]

Hi John, thanks for confirming the back info on the Van Mungo card. According to their system, your card should properly be identified in the third column (cards with 1935 stats) with a 'B4' designation (B stands for blue print, and the 4 standing for 1934 copyright date). Their listing has this card in the 3rd column erroneously as 'B6', indicating that it would have instead a 1936 copyright date.

Brian

[BobC]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Hi John, thanks for confirming the back info on the Van Mungo card. According to their system, your card should properly be identified in the third column (cards with 1935 stats) with a 'B4' designation (B stands for blue print, and the 4 standing for 1934 copyright date). Their listing has this card in the 3rd column erroneously as 'B6', indicating that it would have instead a 1936 copyright date.

Brian

I have not looked at the OBC site to see exactly how they listed this but, is it possible that their B6 reference is not to a blue back with a 1936 "copyright" date and is instead a reference to a blue back with a 1936 "issue" date? In that case the inclusion of an earlier year copyright date may just be an oversight (laziness) on the part of the part of the card manufacturer.

[brianp-beme]

Hi Bob and all,

Here is a link to the Old Cardboard Diamond Stars listing.

http://www.oldcardboard.com/r/r327/r327list.asp

They do not specifically refer to a card's issue date, but the year of issue can be inferred with the columns that designate the year of the stats shown on the back (1933, 1934, and 1935).

Definitely worth a look at this set that is more intriguing than it appears at first glance.

Brian

[pro9]

Old Cardboard is wrong. The dates match up as posted above. The missing ones are
99-1935
101- 1934
104- 1935

I believe the green backed cards on cards that should only come in blue are sunfaded. I used to have a Dickey that had a green back, but in my opinion it was faded on both sides from the sun.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by pro9

Old Cardboard is wrong. The dates match up as posted above. The missing ones are
99-1935
101- 1934
104- 1935

Thanks Mr. E-9 for the confirmation of the copyright dates on those 3 cards. With the 106 Lucas (1935) that I looked up online, we have the following list of copyright dates for the high numbers:

97 Lopez 1935
98 Rowe 1935
99 Traynor 1935 (thanks Epro-9)
100 Averill 1935
101 Bartell 1934 (thanks Epro-9)
102 Mungo 1934 (thanks John)
103 Dickey 1934
104 Rolfe 1935 (thanks Epro-9)
105 Lombardi 1935
106 Lucas 1935 (thanks beme)
107 Hack 1935
108 Berger 1935

I will consider it an honor and my duty to notify Old Cardboard of this thread and what has been hashed out, and hopefully make a great checklist of this set even more accurate.

The satisfaction of making a small difference in this world what we call vintage baseball card collecting will be reward enough, unless of course there is a substantial reward attached to updating info in this manner. Accolades be damned, unless they involve the bestowment of honorary titles, such as "All Knowing Being" or "Kind Benefactor to the Collecting Masses". But I digress.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Quick update...I contacted Lyman at Old Cardboard and he has already made the changes to his checklist. Thanks to Lyman and all who helped me work through this Diamond in the rough.

Brian

[vrechek]

Mungo, Bartell and Dickey were in earlier series and info was used again except for the updated stats. They previously published those three so it makes sense that they repeated the original copyright dates.
You'll notice that on any of the many back variations using the same card numbers, none of them are the result of different copyright dates. They were consistent as to the original year of copyright even when they re-issued cards with updates stats or different numbers.
Bartell is a little different in that the "P" on his jersey got rubbed out on a second version of card #15 and his bio picks up that he went from the Phillies to the Giants.
Fun to look at this stuff again after they've been out for 80 plus years.