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07-10-2017, 01:47 AM
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While playing around with spreadsheet checklists for Polar Bears and Sovereigns, I came across something interesting that may or may not have been brought up in the past. The first part I'm sure everyone is aware of is that all Sovereign 150/350 cards do not exist with Polar Bear backs. The second part which I normally wouldn't think much into it but a magic number 55 comes into play. I combined the Sovereign and Polar Bear lists together. I then removed the Sovereign 150/350 cards. Then I removed the cards that shared Polar Bear and Sovereign backs. What I was left with was a list of Polar Bears that don't have Sovereign 350 & 460 counterparts, and a list of Sovereign 350's that don't have Polar Bear counterparts. Odd thing is that each list has 55 unique cards and the Sovereign's are all the Forest Green Backs. So, am I putting too much thought into this? What's everyone's thoughts that each list has 55 cards? All cards are from the Print Group 2 class except where noted.
Sovereign 350 Forest Green Backs that don't have Polar Bear counterparts. Arndt, Harry Bender, Chief (With Trees) Brown, George (Washington) (PRINT GROUP 1) Burns, Bill Butler, John Byrne, Bobby Campbell, Billy Cassidy, Peter Collins, Eddie Crawford, Sam (Throwing) (PRINT GROUP 1) Cree, Birdie Dahlen, Bill (Brooklyn) (PRINT GROUP 1) Dineen, Bill Donovan, Wild Bill (Throwing) Doolan, Mickey (Fielding) Downs, Jerry Dubuc, Jean Dunn, Jack Dunn, Joe Fiene, Lou (Throwing) Hall, Bob Hannifan, Jack Hartsel, Topsy Howell, Harry (Portrait) Huggins, Miller (Hands At Mouth) Huggins, Miller (Portrait) Jennings, Hughie (Portrait) (PRINT GROUP 1) Killian, Ed (Portrait) Knabe, Otto Lennox, Ed Malarkey, Bill Marquard, Rube (Portrait) McCormick, Moose McGinley, Jim McIntyre, Matty Mitchell, Fred Mitchell, Mike Moran, Herbie Mowrey, Mike Myers, Chief (Fielding) Oberlin, Frank O'Hara, Bill (New York) Paskert, Dode Phelan, Jimmy Poland, Phil Rhoades, Bob (Hands At Chest) Rossman, Claude Schmidt, Boss (Portrait) Stephens, Jim Street, Gabby (Portrait) Summers, Ed Sweeney, Bill Thomas, Ira Wilson, Owen Zimmerman, Heinie Polar Bear Backs that don't have Sovereign 350 or 460 counterparts. Adkins, Doc Arellanes, Frank Barbeau, Jap Barger, Cy Bliss, Jack Brashear, Roy Bresnahan, Roger (Batting) Burchell, Fred Clark, Josh Clymer, Bill Collins, Jimmy Davidson, Paul Delehanty, Frank Demmitt, Ray (St. Louis Amer.) Dessau, Rube Dorner, Gus Downey, Tom (Fielding) Engle, Clyde Evans, Steve Freeman, Jerry Ganzel, John Graham, Bill Gray, Dolly Groom, Bob Hayden, Jack Jones, Davy Kleinow, Red (Boston - Catching) (PRINT GROUP 3) LaPorte, Frank Lattimore, Bill Lavender, Jimmy (It was pointed out that this card doesn't belong on the list. So this list only has 54 cards.) Lord, Harry Maddox, Nick Maloney, Billy Mattern, Al McLean, Larry Milan, Clyde Miller, Dots Mullen, George Murray, Red (Batting) Nattress, Billy O'Hara, Bill (St. Louis) Pelty, Barney (Vertical) (PRINT GROUP 3) Phillippe, Deacon Puttman, Ambrose Rhodes, Charlie Ritter, Lou Rudolph, Dick Schirm, George Schlafly, Larry Schreck, Ossee Shannon, Spike Sharpe, Bud Smith, Frank (Chicago & Boston) (PRINT GROUP 3) Snodgrass, Fred (Batting) Willett, Ed
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Ron - Uncle Nacki T206 Master Monster Front/Back Set Collector - www.youtube.com/unclenacki T206 Basic "The Monster" Set 514/524 T206 Advanced "Master Monster" Front/Back Set ??  ??/5258COMPLETE T206 BACK SUBSETS Old Mill Southern Leagues - Black Ink 48/48 Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 Full Color "No Prints" 28/28 NEAR COMPLETE T206 BACK SUBSETS Polar Bear 245/250 Sovereign 460 50/52 Sweet Caporal 150 Factory 649 Overprint 31/34 Piedmont 350 "Elite 11" 9/11 Last edited by Ronnie73; 07-10-2017 at 08:42 AM. Reason: Update Lavender Error 
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07-10-2017, 07:15 AM
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Ron...one change for you - Lavender has both Polar Bear and Sovereign 350.
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Looking for a T206 Jimmy Lavender Cycle back plus several American Beauty and Tolstoi backs for Providence players. Successful sales transactions with jamorton215, gorditadogg, myerburg311, TAFKADixie, jimq16415, Thromdog, CardPadre
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07-10-2017, 08:10 AM
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Hi Ron
Interesting stuff. I did a similar analysis with POLAR BEAR vs 1910 COUPON (T213-1) Major League (48) subjects in 2008. Refer to this thread.... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...1654&highlight Shown here are the 48- Major League subjects in the 1910 COUPON set. The 1910 COUPON cards were issued circa..Spring/Summer 1910. My theory.....is this group of 48 subjects were printed from an early 350-only sheet of T206 cards. From this group, 39 subjects are POLAR BEAR No-Prints. The nine printed POLAR BEAR cards from this group are listed below. 1910 COUPON (T213-1) Major League (48) subjects     Confirmed POLAR BEAR Subjects from this COUPON group Engle LaPorte Willett and the Six Super-Prints....which of course went on to be 350/460 series subjects and have PB backs Chance (yellow portrait) Chase (blue portrait) Chase (dark cap) Cobb (red portrait) Evers (bat-yellow sky) Mathewson (dark cap) TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 07-28-2019 at 07:06 PM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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07-10-2017, 08:39 AM
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Ron - Uncle Nacki T206 Master Monster Front/Back Set Collector - www.youtube.com/unclenacki T206 Basic "The Monster" Set 514/524 T206 Advanced "Master Monster" Front/Back Set ?? ??/5258COMPLETE T206 BACK SUBSETS Old Mill Southern Leagues - Black Ink 48/48 Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 Full Color "No Prints" 28/28 NEAR COMPLETE T206 BACK SUBSETS Polar Bear 245/250 Sovereign 460 50/52 Sweet Caporal 150 Factory 649 Overprint 31/34 Piedmont 350 "Elite 11" 9/11
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07-10-2017, 10:00 AM
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Quote:
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Looking for a T206 Jimmy Lavender Cycle back plus several American Beauty and Tolstoi backs for Providence players. Successful sales transactions with jamorton215, gorditadogg, myerburg311, TAFKADixie, jimq16415, Thromdog, CardPadre
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07-10-2017, 06:37 PM
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Southern League cards (continued)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * T206 Reference, Theory's, Surveys, etc. * * * * * * * * * * * * *
   There are a variety of "card games" you can play with the T206 Southern Leaguer's combined with other tobacco cards having the same image. For instance, shown here is my whimsical run of Greminger's cards......  ..........   And, why not include a brown OLD MILL (with Factory #649 overprint) card of Greminger.......  OK, I need Greminger's 1910 COUPON card to fill-out this run. If anyone reading this has a T213-1 Greminger for sale, email me.... tedzan11@comcast.net Another challenge is trying for a "Quadruplicate" subset that includes a 1910 COUPON card of your favorite SL guy from 20 subjects in the Southern Association of the T213-1 set.     Ted Breitenstein is my favorite Southern Leaguer in the T206 set. Here's my Quadruplicate sub-set of Ted.   OK guys, show us your whimsical (or whatever) sub-set(s) of Southern League cards. TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 07-13-2017 at 09:00 PM. Reason: Correct typo.
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#7
07-12-2017, 09:10 PM
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T206 Southern Leaguers Brown OLD MILL cards
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During the Summer of 1909, American Litho (ALC) printed SWEET CAPORAL 150 Factory #30 cards of many Major Leaguers and shipped them to Factory #30 in NYC. Simultaneously, ALC started printing their first group (34 subjects) of Southern Leaguers. These cards were printed with brown HINDU backs and were shipped to the Factory (#649) producing HINDU cigarettes (also SWEET CAPORAL cigarettes). Furthermore, ALC selected 34 - Major League subjects from the batches of the aforementioned SWEET CAPORAL 150 cards and modified the backs by stamping them with the "Factory #649" overprint in order to ship them to this new factory. Circa..Fall of 1909, ALC switched to printing up the OLD MILL backs on the Southern League cards. During this entire process, the usual printer's practice of test runs between actual press runs resulted in these brown inked OLD MILL (scrap) cards [with the red ink Factory #649 overprint (inverted)]. I don't think any of them found their way into cigarette packs. Anyhow, to date 13 of them have been confirmed. They are........ Bernhard Foster Greminger Helm Hooker Jordan Kiernan Mullaney Paige Reagan Revelle Sid Smith Thornton   TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 03-26-2019 at 06:49 PM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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07-13-2017, 08:59 PM
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Hey guys,
These Southern League brown OLD MILL cards are seldom seen....but if you have one, why not show it to us. TED Z . Last edited by tedzan; 08-25-2019 at 07:35 PM. Reason: Corrected typo.
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