Bccg vs raw

irv · #1 07-17-2017, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

BCCG is good for buyers (if they know what to look for) not sellers.

I disagree. I have seen many sellers who claim it was "graded a "6" or "7" or higher and mention nothing about how BCCG grades.

I said it back a while ago, that sellers will love this as there are still many novice collectors out there and new collectors coming to the hobby everyday.

"Those two Beckett services are BVG and BGS only. A third Beckett service, BCCG, attempts to capitalize on the well-known numerical grading scale collectors are familiar with (1 through 10) as a way to make it appear to novice collectors that the card is in nicer condition than it actually is."

Leon · #2 07-17-2017, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by irv

I disagree. I have seen many sellers who claim it was "graded a "6" or "7" or higher and mention nothing about how BCCG grades.

I said it back a while ago, that sellers will love this as there are still many novice collectors out there and new collectors coming to the hobby everyday.

"Those two Beckett services are BVG and BGS only. A third Beckett service, BCCG, attempts to capitalize on the well-known numerical grading scale collectors are familiar with (1 through 10) as a way to make it appear to novice collectors that the card is in nicer condition than it actually is."

Exactly. And as a buyer with knowledge you can easily win the argument. Of course if you leave out the knowledge part of my answer yours is correct. Nothing like taking something out of context.

irv · #3 07-17-2017, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Exactly. And as a buyer with knowledge you can easily win the argument. Of course if you leave out the knowledge part of my answer yours is correct. Nothing like taking something out of context.

Although I didn't acknowledge your (If they know what to look for) I still found that confusing, as most, that I have seen anyways, are overpriced to begin with based on the BCCG grade.

I suppose some are out there, (I try not to even give these BCCG graded cards a second look), that are priced fair or on the cheap side, from honest sellers, but from what I have noticed, the sellers are trying to pass off a BCCG graded 8,9, or 10 as if that would be the same grade PSA or SGC would also grade the card at.

frankbmd · #4 07-17-2017, 10:31 AM

Want a slam dunk grade bump?

Cross from PSA to BCCG

Turn around time should not be a problem.

irv · #5 07-17-2017, 10:58 AM

There is even an E-Bay warning about BCCG graded cards. It's too bad this isn't listed/shown with all BCCG cards that come up for auction.

http://www.ebay.com/gds/The-BCCG-gra...5139486/g.html

I use to somewhat speak positively/strong for Beckett graded cards but when they "Knowingly" started this service, they quickly fell out of favor with me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEgaZGrf2gg

In my opinion, not that they likely care, they should do away with this service while they are still afloat.

bnorth · #6 07-17-2017, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by irv

There is even an E-Bay warning about BCCG graded cards. It's too bad this isn't listed/shown with all BCCG cards that come up for auction.

http://www.ebay.com/gds/The-BCCG-gra...5139486/g.html

I use to somewhat speak positively/strong for Beckett graded cards but when they "Knowingly" started this service, they quickly fell out of favor with me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEgaZGrf2gg

In my opinion, not that they likely care, they should do away with this service while they are still afloat.

I don't think Beckett is going anywhere as they are king with the new shiny cards by a mile.

I have never understood the hate for BCCG cards because as long as you can read you should be OK. The grade is clearly printed on the label in big letters.

irv · #7 07-17-2017, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

I don't think Beckett is going anywhere as they are king with the new shiny cards by a mile.

I have never understood the hate for BCCG cards because as long as you can read you should be OK. The grade is clearly printed on the label in big letters.

I have learned a lot since I joined this forum, and I still, admittedly, have a long ways to go yet, but if I have learned something, then that is the fact there is a lot of dishonesty and deception within this hobby.

With that being said, it would be nice, sort of, if I were just talking about dishonest sellers, not about a grading company or TPG, whichever you prefer, to be one of those dishonest deceptive people!

I am not sure what you are referring to, Ben? I see the label as a 10, Mint or Better. There is nothing there that I see that would suggest this card, or any other, is not graded like the rest, or remotely close to what people are use to or is the norm in hobby.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TONY-GWYNN-1...D/122396909010

It's funny what this guy decided to add in his post just to make it that much more alluring or appealing. A newbie, rookie, neophyte, or whatever you want to call them, would/will likely eat this stuff up. I know when I first re-joined the hobby and this site after a 30+ yr absence, I was one of them.

Graded BCCG-10 (Mint or Better) by Beckett Grading Services "The World's Most Trusted Source in Collecting"

Peter_Spaeth · #8 07-17-2017, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

I don't think Beckett is going anywhere as they are king with the new shiny cards by a mile.

Not sure of that these days. I just searched on ebay for 2011 Topps Update Trout PSA and 2011 Topps Update Trout BGS -- a pretty representative newer card -- and there are more PSA.

irv · #9 07-17-2017, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by frankbmd

Want a slam dunk grade bump?

Cross from PSA to BCCG

Turn around time should not be a problem.

What do you think, Frank, a 8, 9 or 10?

bnorth · #10 07-17-2017, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by irv

What do you think, Frank, a 8, 9 or 10?

I believe that would be correctly labeled as a BCCG 7 Very Good.

Zach Wheat · #11 07-17-2017, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by irv

I disagree. I have seen many sellers who claim it was "graded a "6" or "7" or higher and mention nothing about how BCCG grades.

I said it back a while ago, that sellers will love this as there are still many novice collectors out there and new collectors coming to the hobby everyday.

"Those two Beckett services are BVG and BGS only. A third Beckett service, BCCG, attempts to capitalize on the well-known numerical grading scale collectors are familiar with (1 through 10) as a way to make it appear to novice collectors that the card is in nicer condition than it actually is."

Well said Irv. Here is some comments straight off the Beckett boards:

http://www.beckett.com/forums/thread-1483902.html

Z

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