1914 Colonels with George Weiss and other Pre-Rookie RPPC's

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

Mark,

Just please look at the cheekbones and how pronounced they are. They match. As for ears, believe it or not, but ears and nose continue to grow ever so slightly as we age. Of course , I have found for some reason in my case, my feet have grown a bit with age (again ). I graduated college with size nine shoes. I now have size eleven shoes.

The ear growth of which you speak is so small that it would not be noticeable even when comparing a photograph of a teenager to that of a man in his 40's. It rarely becomes apparent until much later, and even then it is usually just some ear lobe droop - not a gross change in shape. Old man and teenager ears can almost always be compared. If you are interested I can send you literature on the use of ear comparison in forensic photo identification.

Nose tip also can droop when we get old - but nowhere near enough to account for the gross difference seen here, and anyway and in the exemplar photos of Waner he is not that old.

Cheekbones are not visible in any of the images under discussion.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

The ear growth of which you speak is so small that it would not be noticeable even when comparing a photograph of a teenager to that a man of later all playing age (40's). It rarely becomes apparent until much later, and even then it is usually just some ear lobe droop - not a gross change in shape. Old man and teenager ears can almost always be compared. If you are interested I can send you literature on the use of ear comparison in forensic photo identification.

Cheekbones are not visible in any of the images under discussion.

Mark,

I am not looking at the pictures off the site from where I sit, but the images that have been posted. The cheekbones are visible. Also, please feel free to compare the chin in the side by side photos of Paul Waner you provided and the picture of the young Paul Waner from my picture which you posted next to Waner in a Pirates uniform. I'm sorry, but it is Paul Waner.

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

Mark,

I am not looking at the pictures off the site from where I sit, but the images that have been posted. The cheekbones are visible. Also, please feel free to compare the chin in the side by side photos of Paul Waner you provided and the picture of the young Paul Waner from my picture which you posted next to Waner in a Pirates uniform. I'm sorry, but it is Paul Waner.

You don't know what cheekbones are - you have not studied this subject.

Assuming the chins matched perfectly (they don't) - it still can't possibly be Waner if the ears and nose don't match. Sorry for being logical.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

You don't know what cheekbones are - you have not studied this subject.

Assuming the chins matched perfectly (they don't) - it still can't possibly be Waner if the ears and nose don't match. Sorry for being logical.

I may not study the subject, but the cheekbones and the chin match. These are points of identification. This is Paul Waner.

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

I may not study the subject, but the cheekbones and the chin match. These are points of identification. This is Paul Waner.

LOL - so everyone with matching chins and cheekbones is the same person. Hard to to debate such powerful logic.

BTW, cheekbones are easiest to see in photos of very thin people (like female models). In people of normal weight, it can be very difficult to pinpoint the location. Anyone interested can google for a human skull and look for the bone usually labeled "zygomatic". Then see if you can find Waner's zygomatic bone.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

LOL - so everyone with matching chins and cheekbones is the same person. Hard to to debate such powerful logic.

BTW, cheekbones are easiest to see in photos of very thin people (like female models). In people of normal weight, it can be very difficult to pinpoint the location. Anyone interested can google for a human skull and look for the bone usually labeled "zygomatic". Then see if you can find Waner's zygomatic bone.

So you are telling me to get "zyggy" with it?

It's Paul Waner. Sorry, but the points match and that, along with the other pictures I have seen of Paul Waner over the last 30+ years is good for me.

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

So you are telling me to get "zyggy" with it?

It's Paul Waner. Sorry, but the points match and that, along with the other pictures I have seen of Paul Waner over the last 30+ years is good for me.

I can't think of a better example of how collectors can come to believe the unbelievable. I am sure Brian actually thinks this guy is Waner and that there is no ill-intent at all on his part. Just be careful when you think you have found a previously unknown photo of a Hall-of-Famer (and don't forget to be sure that the uniform style dating doesn't correspond to the player being 2 years old).