Ashamed - Topps T206 Buy Back Fraud

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Whether or not Topps copyrighted the holder is really besides the point here.

It's exactly the point here. You're arguing the ethicality of it. You're right! You win! Nobody is disputing that. I'm arguing the legality of it, and you couldn't be any more wrong. And I'm not arguing in a way to defend Larry. My point (which you and others have conveniently and deliberately twisted) was in response to whether or not Larry could face criminal action. It's my belief that he couldn't. There are certainly other consequences like being publically shamed, losing respect and trust in the hobby world, being banned from here, etc. But, as I said earlier, I'm finished discussing it. I simply wanted to know if the cards were copyrighted. I think we got the correct answer.

[Peter_Spaeth]

[QUOTE=vintagetoppsguy;1690847][QUOTE=T206Collector;1690836]Whether or not Topps copyrighted the holder is really besides the point here.

It's exactly the point here. You're arguing the ethicality of it. You're right! You win! Nobody is disputing that. I'm arguing the legality of it, and you couldn't be any more wrong. And I'm not arguing in a way to defend Larry. My point (which you and others have conveniently and deliberately twisted) was in response to whether or not Larry could face criminal action. It's my belief that he couldn't. There are certainly other consequences like being publically shamed, losing respect and trust in the hobby world, being banned from here, etc. But, as I said earlier, I'm finished discussing it. I simply wanted to know if the cards were copyrighted. I think we got the correct answer.

Yes David you're right and every lawyer on the board who has posted that it's illegal fraud is wrong. Read the wire fraud statute which has been posted here and tell me which element is not met. Or you can just ignore it because your beliefs trump the actual law.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

It's exactly the point here. You're arguing the ethicality of it. You're right! You win! Nobody is disputing that. I'm arguing the legality of it, and you couldn't be any more wrong. And I'm not arguing in a way to defend Larry. My point (which you and others have conveniently and deliberately twisted) was in response to whether or not Larry could face criminal action. It's my belief that he couldn't. There are certainly other consequences like being publically shamed, losing respect and trust in the hobby world, being banned from here, etc. But, as I said earlier, I'm finished discussing it. I simply wanted to know if the cards were copyrighted. I think we got the correct answer.

According to the authorities I have spoken with you are wrong. But what do they know anyway?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

According to the authorities I have spoken with you are wrong. But what do they know anyway?

They don't know shit and neither do I or Kenny or Paul or Adam or anyone I am leaving out to whom I apologize. David knows the law much better than we do.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

They don't know shit and neither do I or Kenny or Paul or Adam or anyone I am leaving out to whom I apologize. David knows the law much better than we do.

Thanks for the education, Peter. I was always under the impression that an attorneys job was to represent their client, and it was the judge's job to interpret the law. I learn something new every day.

Everyone knows attorneys are never wrong (double eye roll)

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Thanks for the education, Peter. I was always under the impression that an attorneys job was to represent their client, and it was the judge's job to interpret the law. I learn something new every day.

Everyone knows attorneys are never wrong (double eye roll)

That is a dumb comment (attorneys research and interpret the law every day in order to formulate arguments) and your willful arrogance is astonishing, truly. Do you really think you know more about what constitutes illegal fraud than all the lawyers on this Board? Again, tell me what element of the wire fraud statute is not met and we can have a real discussion.

Maybe next you can argue the earth is flat. For all I can tell you might believe it.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

You're arguing the ethicality of it. . . . I'm arguing the legality of it, and you couldn't be any more wrong.

The point of my post was on the legality of the conduct -- which is in violation of several laws, state and federal, as well as criminal and civil... just maybe not copyright law.