1949 Jackies on Memory Lane

ajjohnsonsoxfan · #1 08-15-2017, 05:56 PM

This thread has been great. I didn't know much about the 47 Bond Bread issue. It looks like the portrait was issued along with 12 other cards in a sub set? There also seems to be two different Jackie cards in the regular 1947 set (one with clipped corners and one without)? Interested to know why some consider the white border portrait his RC and not the others issued in the sub set or the regular portrait card in the set?

edited to add - I'm wondering if the large number of Jackie cards in this set and sub set has added to lack of demand and depression on pricing. Or is this card(s) ready to see an Exhibit Gehrig take off?

#2 08-15-2017, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

This thread has been great. I didn't know much about the 47 Bond Bread issue. It looks like the portrait was issued along with 12 other cards in a sub set? There also seems to be two different Jackie cards in the regular 1947 set (one with clipped corners and one without)? Interested to know why some consider the white border portrait his RC and not the others issued in the sub set or the regular portrait card in the set?

edited to add - I'm wondering if the large number of Jackie cards in this set and sub set has added to lack of demand and depression on pricing. Or is this card ready to see an Exhibit Gehrig take off?

I should probably defer to Shaun because I know he's done extensive research and is an expert on the set, but I believe it was confirmed (by Shaun or possibly Ted Z...I can't remember) via advertising from the period that the Portrait with Facsimile Auto (white bordered card) was a promotional card distributed to retailers and that's why there were potentially more of those cards in existence and that survived. This is reflected in the population reports, with the number of Portrait w/ facsimile graded cards far exceeding the other 12 cards in the white bordered subset. That said there are only just over 100 graded Portrait w/ facsimile auto cards between SGC/PSA. Other cards in the subset are extremely rare (less than 15 graded in some cases and depending on the pose).

CharleyBrown · #3 08-15-2017, 10:09 PM

The Bond Bread portrait-facsimile from the set of 13 (white borders) was distributed both in stores (for free), and in promo packages with 2 slices of bread during the summer of 1947 (June-July). The exact date of the clipped corners BB card was either the Spring or Fall of 1947. The Old Gold Kneeling in Dugout card was issued in September of 1947.

Regarding the set of 13 - there are 3 backs which help to clear the release date of each. The first card issued was the portrait-facsimile sig. Here's that card:

The next batch of 6 came out between Fall of 1947 and late Spring / early Summer of 1948.

Here's an example of one of those 6 cards:

The last batch of 6 cards came out late Summer of 1949. Here's an example of the back from that batch:

Please forgive my scan quality. I'll be investing in a top quality scanner in the fall and will update them.

ajjohnsonsoxfan · #4 08-15-2017, 10:42 PM

Shaun thanks for providing that info. When did this issue get released?

MikeGarcia · #5 08-16-2017, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ajjohnsonsoxfan

Shaun thanks for providing that info. When did this issue get released?

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...1947 Brooklyn Dodgers Team Issue Photo Pack....this picture was used a lot ...

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#6 08-16-2017, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

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...1947 Brooklyn Dodgers Team Issue Photo Pack....this picture was used a lot ...

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I think he's wanting to know about the approximate release of the card he showed (with uncropped corners), which I understood to be a later release, compared to the D302 with the same image and cropped corners.

OsFan · #7 08-16-2017, 10:38 AM

As someone who began collecting vintage cards in the late 70s and who leaves and the re-enters the hobby every so many years, it's interesting that the discussion of which issue is the rookie card of some of the biggest names of the game has yet to be fully worked out.
In a way I guess that's part of what continues to make the hobby interesting after all these years.

darwinbulldog · #8 08-16-2017, 02:03 PM

On the rounded (or "cropped") vs. square corner issue, my recollection is that the dating here is based on Ted Z's having posted about his childhood memories of getting the rounded ones from loaves of bread that his family purchased for their restaurant(s) back in 1947 in conjunction with his having no memory of having seen the square corner ones pop up until more recent years.

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