20 retraction high bidder PWCC

[rjackson44]

This will never end

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

All one can do is shine a light and hope someone cares.

Originally Posted by rjackson44

This will never end

Like Peter just alluded to, it shouldn't end until something is done.

Not a word PWCC speaks can be taken as the truth.

[calvindog]

Are there any class action lawyers on the page?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Are there any class action lawyers on the page?

Kevin Quinn got banned, I think.

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Are there any class action lawyers on the page?

I've been as vocal as anyone about these pricks with multiple retractions. Where I differ is where the blame lies.

Why not start with E-bay and demand that their completed sales reflect non-payments. This could be as simple as recording the sale after the item has been paid for and shipped, vs recording the sale at the end of the auction. This would take the sting out of the shillers and manipulators. For some of us, the real issue is the non-payment by the shiller.

Second, take this same approach to the AH's. Ask that they post when a winning lot has a non-payment (good luck). This would actually benefit them, as the shillers would have to pay the juice.

Asking PWCC to stand guard over this while the AH's hide in the weeds makes no sense. All we hear is crickets from the AH's, while PWCC is at least addressing the issue.

[Neal]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I've been as vocal as anyone about these pricks with multiple retractions. Where I differ is where the blame lies.

Why not start with E-bay and demand that their completed sales reflect non-payments. This could be as simple as recording the sale after the item has been paid for and shipped, vs recording the sale at the end of the auction. This would take the sting out of the shillers and manipulators. For some of us, the real issue is the non-payment by the shiller.

Second, take this same approach to the AH's. Ask that they post when a winning lot has a non-payment (good luck). This would actually benefit them, as the shillers would have to pay the juice.

Asking PWCC to stand guard over this while the AH's hide in the weeds makes no sense. All we hear is crickets from the AH's, while PWCC is at least addressing the issue.

I would like to see all PWCC hammers be removed from VCP .... not sure if that is possible/ethical however.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Neal

I would like to see all PWCC hammers be removed from VCP .... not sure if that is possible/ethical however.

If you are so inclined, it's pretty easy just to discount them, so not sure I really see the issue. Like gymnastics, throw out the high score.

[Neal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If you are so inclined, it's pretty easy just to discount them, so not sure I really see the issue. Like gymnastics, throw out the high score.

easy for a buyer, but not for the seller

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I've been as vocal as anyone about these pricks with multiple retractions. Where I differ is where the blame lies.

Why not start with E-bay and demand that their completed sales reflect non-payments. This could be as simple as recording the sale after the item has been paid for and shipped, vs recording the sale at the end of the auction. This would take the sting out of the shillers and manipulators. For some of us, the real issue is the non-payment by the shiller.

Second, take this same approach to the AH's. Ask that they post when a winning lot has a non-payment (good luck). This would actually benefit them, as the shillers would have to pay the juice.

Asking PWCC to stand guard over this while the AH's hide in the weeds makes no sense. All we hear is crickets from the AH's, while PWCC is at least addressing the issue.

John- Good luck with this, you're pissing in a fan. Ebay doesn't give a shit, period. This topic has been going on for 7 or 8 years, maybe longer...And how is PWCC addressing the issue exactly? This seems simple to me, two offenses and you're warned, the third you're out of here....Is that difficult?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

John- Good luck with this, you're pissing in a fan. Ebay doesn't give a shit, period. This topic has been going on for 7 or 8 years, maybe longer...And how is PWCC addressing the issue exactly? This seems simple to me, two offenses and you're warned, the third you're out of here....Is that difficult?

Kevin is right; Ebay doesn't give a crap.


http://live.autographmagazine.com/pr...-shill-bidding

[Jeffrompa]

Will never happen , just wait for the indictments .

[bbcardzman]

[QUOTE=thetruthisoutthere;1694803]Kevin is right; Ebay doesn't give a crap.


Everyone knows eBay doesn't give a crap about anything but $$$$, ever hear of BATTLEFIELD0516???

[PiratesWS1979]

Originally Posted by irv

Not a word PWCC speaks can be taken as the truth.

...and this is why I'll never consign again and very rarely ever bid!

[irv]

Originally Posted by PiratesWS1979

...and this is why I'll never consign again and very rarely ever bid!

I was a fool, which is who they cater too, as I believed their big letter, talking about the stopping/banning shill and string bidders thinking it was the truth.

I actually believed, between them and E-Bay, that I was actually bidding/purchasing from a caring, open and transparent AH.

What a fool I was!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Well, our boy just won a 9K card.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-Fleer-F...19.m1438.l2649

And a 7k card.

http://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/401...565&rmvSB=true

And possibly others I don't feel like searching for.

Honestly I doubt I would ban him either especially if I had reassurances he wouldn't keep doing it, but then again I wouldn't say that I had if I hadn't, nor would I make a big deal out of a blocked bidder policy if I didn't really have one.

[nsaddict]

Yup, and the under bidder cost him 4K on the Unitas (if he pays).

[Neal]

And recorded prices just continue to climb .....