Goldin

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Maybe, but even 1 of 3 senate copies of the 13th amendment brought only (relatively speaking) 2.4mil in Sotheby's last year.

http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/...88/lot.79.html

It isn't my job to come up with estimates, so the experts may see something I don't.

There is something more visceral with regard to the civil rights movement however. While the 13th amendment ended the practice of slavery, the fact that 80+ years later Jackie Robinson's introduction to professional whites only baseball was such a major event speaks to the efficacy of the 13th amendment in terms of actual civil rights in practice. These two contracts played an enormous part in pushing forward civil rights in America. They are also tied to and signed by a beloved figure in recent American history. I don't know that they will go for $10 mil. I think there is a good chance that they will if the right people know about the auction.

Tom C

[earlywynnfan]

Is anyone thinking what I'm thinking: Man, those sigs would look great cut and put into a 1/1 card!!

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Is anyone thinking what I'm thinking: Man, those sigs would look great cut and put into a 1/1 card!!

haha. I am sure Topps and Panini are already trying to work on their finances to get it done.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Is anyone thinking what I'm thinking: Man, those sigs would look great cut and put into a 1/1 card!!

That made me laugh and throw up in my mouth a little.

Tom C

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

There is something more visceral with regard to the civil rights movement however. While the 13th amendment ended the practice of slavery, the fact that 80+ years later Jackie Robinson's introduction to professional whites only baseball was such a major event speaks to the efficacy of the 13th amendment in terms of actual civil rights in practice. These two contracts played an enormous part in pushing forward civil rights in America. They are also tied to and signed by a beloved figure in recent American history. I don't know that they will go for $10 mil. I think there is a good chance that they will if the right people know about the auction.

Tom C

I understand all of that, but you statement at the end expressing your potential doubt of the estimate is what I am talking about. These could go for 3x the 13 amendment and still not break the 10mil mark.

This is merely a thought provoking conversation as the answer will be known soon enough and we, potentially ,will have a new precedent for what an historical document could sell for.

[botn]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

This is merely a thought provoking conversation as the answer will be known soon enough and we, potentially ,will have a new precedent for what an historical document could sell for.

“We look forward to an electric night of bidding on November 16th, but if the right buyer comes forward before the auction and can ensure these documents will be shared with the public, we’ll certainly consider a private sale.” At which point we might never get the answer.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by botn

“We look forward to an electric night of bidding on November 16th, but if the right buyer comes forward before the auction and can ensure these documents will be shared with the public, we’ll certainly consider a private sale.” At which point we might never get the answer.

I have never heard of an auction like that, are there precedents?

To answer my own question, it looks like the same thing happened with Piazza's 9/11 jersey last year.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/m...cly-displayed/

[botn]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I have never heard of an auction like that, are there precedents?

Glad I am not the only one to find the quote somewhat puzzling.

[alexanderautographs]

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[Jenx34]

Whatever happened to this? Is it up for auction now or being auctioned later this month? I didn't see it in Goldin's current auction.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Jenx34

Whatever happened to this? Is it up for auction now or being auctioned later this month? I didn't see it in Goldin's current auction.

It's a live event on the the 16th, I believe.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Jenx34

Whatever happened to this? Is it up for auction now or being auctioned later this month? I didn't see it in Goldin's current auction.

It's listed as the final item in this auction. but no bids are being taken. It will be sold in a live auction on Dec. 6.

[conor912]

I find it odd that there was so much initial press and announcement emails, but nothing went out about the date changing, at least that I saw. That, and the fact that the contracts are nowhere to be found on their home page. I literally had to search "Robinson Contract" to find it in the bowels of the website, listed as lot #1913, right after a horrendous oil painting of Aaron Judge.

[puckpaul]

I would rather have his first Dodgers jersey thannthe contracts. Jerseys help you feel the game and him actually playing, to me, surpasses the contracts. But that is me! Love jerseys.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

I would rather have his first Dodgers jersey thannthe contracts. Jerseys help you feel the game and him actually playing, to me, surpasses the contracts. But that is me! Love jerseys.

That was my guess....and I would agree with you. It helps the $10 mil cause that there are two super important contracts and not just one.

Tom C

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

I would rather have his first Dodgers jersey thannthe contracts. Jerseys help you feel the game and him actually playing, to me, surpasses the contracts. But that is me! Love jerseys.

+1

Steve

[Bliggity]

Auction preview just went up. Minimum opening bid on the Jackie contract is $15 million, which is $18 million with the juice.

Wonder if that's just for attention and will come lower before the auction actually goes live.

[hshrimps]

That item is just being used as a promotion vehicle. Period.

[oldjudge]

In my opinion it is a ridiculous price. I also think that it makes the auction house look silly.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

In my opinion it is a ridiculous price. I also think that it makes the auction house look silly.

agreed

[Sean]

Originally Posted by hshrimps

That item is just being used as a promotion vehicle. Period.

+1

It is the last item in the auction. If they were serious they would list it first.

[bobfreedman]

This was an error on our company's part. The item was placed there as a place holder as was the price as well. There is no price on this item and is not available at the shown price. This was supposed to be a preview for an upcoming auction. There is no opening bid nor has any price been set. Please accept my apology for any misunderstandings.

Bob Freedman
CEO SimpleAuction