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Autographed Card Sold As Is
I've been working for several years on an autographed 1963 Fleer baseball set. Having gotten pretty close to complete (62/66), I decided to work on autographed 1960 and 1961 Fleer sets.
I have mostly stuck to authenticated and slabbed cards, but recently a couple auctions came up for raw, signed 1960 Fleer. The autos looked close enough to authenticated signatures that I took a chance and I ended up winning both Ernie Lombardi and Dazzy Vance. Vance would be a great pickup since he died in February of 1961 and, thus, there was a small window to actually get the card signed. I am going to send it in for authentication, but had a question. The seller clearly stated that he had bought a large collection and marked the cards as be sold as is, without a COA. I am assuming that, if the card does not pass authentication, I just end up just taking the loss and using it as a lesson to stick to be less exuberant and stick to previously authenticated card. Correct? With winning the card for $42 delivered and $93 for authentication and shipping, it would be a coup if it is authenticated, but a painful experience if it isn't. Last edited by carlsonjok; 09-06-2017 at 05:34 PM. |
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Do a PSA/DNA Quick Opinion
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Will they do that for a completed auction? Already have the card in hand.
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PSA/DNA 2017 September Special
50% off Single signed Autograph Special Any Single Signed item Must have original authentication fee of $75 or less No Membership Required LOA upgrade and grading fee upgrades are not included Turnaround Time Varies with Demand Hurry! All Orders Must be Postmarked Between 9/1/2017 - 9/30/2017 Click here for Full Details! Have someone send it in on this membership special for the month with one of their submissions. That will cut down shipping and your price. *Correction: You can send it in yourself. You do NOT have to be a Collector's Club member to use the special.*
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The above special posted has nothing to do with signed cards.
It would be $25 for a psa/dna dual grade submission plus 18 return shipping. I'd try the quick opinion for 10$ Even though the auction has ended they may render an opinion.
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Could you show the cards here as many people here could give you an opinion that IMO is as reliable as any TPA.
Regarding the wording of the auction, I still think it depends on the auction venue. If it fails authentication eBay will often give you back your money regardless of the wording in his auction unless he clearly states it's a reprint and being sold that way. If there is any hint he is intimating that it is real, I think eBay will side with you. I have no idea about other sites' policies.
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Forget it. I found the Vance
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-Fleer-D...p2047675.l2557 Edit: After looking at his completed auctions you should return them immediately. He has sold soooooooooooooo many fakes it is ridiculous. I mean come on he sold a Tommy Connolly 3x5 for $65. Really? $65. This guy is the Coaches Corner of eBay
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I am sorry to tell you that the Vance is not even close to bring good . Educate yourself about Vance's signature because it is very commonly forged for someone in the middle of the spectrum of HOFers autographs . Also I have never seen a Fleer card signed by Vance that was good .
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OMG what a pile of crap.
OP how could you buy that crap. That is how these guys stay in business.
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Jeff, here's the problem. When you find something that's hard to find to complete a project, you can (if you're not careful) want it to be real so badly that you'll find all kinds of excuses why the signer was "slightly off" that day. You always need to be dispassionate in these situations and look at the autograph critically. As has been said here multiple times, the Vance is garbage. I would try to get a refund, and if you can't, then chalk it up to a lesson learned. A real one may become available some day, so be ready with the funds and the research to allow you to confidently pull the trigger.
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When you buy on ebay look at the sellers other items and if any look bad stay away from all to play it safe. Like the Greenberg ball and Kluszweski ball are awful that he has.
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I stayed pretty disciplined on 1963 Fleer, but that was easier since the subjects were contemporary players at the time. But 1960 and 1961 featured retired players, many for quite a long time. The risk is, obviously, higher and I should have stuck to my plan. Lesson learned. |
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Should not be hard to get a refund, even without the quick opinion. eBay will side with you the buyer 100%, you are well within the refund window.
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Guilty as charged
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Maybe I am in the minority here, but when you buy something that is specifically advertised as "no COA" and "sold as is" do you think it really is fair to try to return it? I mean, you knew what you were getting yourself into, right? He didn't sell it as "go on and have it authenticated at your cost, and if it comes back fake I will refund your money."
I mean, if more people try to return this stuff and open PayPal claims, etc., then maybe you discourage the bad guys from listing fake crap. But, I would not feel comfortable forcing a refund here if the guy won't give you one after you politely ask.
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Of course, I wouldn't have gotten myself into such a situation in the first place, but that is beside the point. Tom C |
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FWIW, I just got the quick opinion on the Lombardi. It is also "Likely Not Geniune." |
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Get a refund, neg feedback this seller.
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Agreed. If selling these types of items is your business you need to stand behind what you sell. If you know something is fake and you sell it as possibly real but "as is" then you are scamming. Regardless of your responsibility as a buyer, he should give a refund and I would probably leave negative feedback (I have only done so a few times since 1998). Joshua Van Pelt Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Before I have ever bought a raw signature that I was unsure of on ebay, I have always asked the seller "Will you accept a refund if the item does not pass authentication with PSA, SGC, Beckett, or JSA?" If the answer is no, I decide whether it is worth the risk, and either move forward knowing I am stuck with the item, or walk away. Going ahead and bidding or buying without confirming all of the risks is not the best way to proceed at the outset IMHO.
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Everything this guy sells is garbage. I thought about posting here a couple of weeks ago, but thought it was obvious. It's not often you see some of the garbage he forges because it's so common. Please people, use common sense or ask for more help.
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Here, I would still go ahead and pursue a refund, because I too like making bad people squirm. But, I do think you recognize that you shoulder some of the responsibility here.
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I wouldn't request a refund; same as if I bought a washer/dryer on craigslist AS IS and they didn't work and had a family of possums living inside. You made the mistake of buying a card that was an obvious fake auto.
I would however give a negative. That will serve as a "warning" to someone in the future. There were plenty of red flags even before you got to looking at the pictures.
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I don't understand the don't ask for a refund posts. eBay policy dictates that you are within your right to be refunded, so why wouldn't you get your refund? There is a very simple way for a seller to sell a card they don't know is authentic: don't claim the card was signed by the person. The auction description makes it clear that the seller is selling a card signed by Dazzy Vance "as is". The seller could have easily sold the card as a Fleer Vance with an unknown signature on it.
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they're just as bad as coach's corner, but even worse they have auctions every day for not even hof'ers but just common set guys. some of them are so good they even pass tpa's. they know exactly what they're doing as they've made a nice living on ebay for years. to accept this behavior and blame the victims for not knowing any better shows a lack of compassion and regard for this hobby. the apathy is disconcerting.
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