Aaron Judge

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

You don't even bother to read my posts. Power and OBP, pretty much where I feel Judge will settle in. He hits singles and homeruns, there's a reason he didn't make the majors until 25, and never hit for anything remotely resembling these numbers in the minors. You'd think I was insulting him comparing him to a guy who hit 310 HR's with a .360 OBP.

I didn't mention a fielding comparison, Buhner was a decent fielder with an awesome arm, hard to know how that equates with Judge's fielding which is pretty good, but his arm doesn't seem like anything special.

[packs]

I don't know too many players who hit 40 plus homers by accident. He went to college for 4 years and made his debut at 24 years old. When people say "two words" it's always meant to be some kind of caution. I don't see a caution in a 25 year old guy who hits 40 homers, gets on base and scores runs. Saying Buhner level power output is pretty broad and that could apply to anyone who hits home runs but it's the combination of getting on base and scoring runs that make up Judge's game.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't know too many players who hit 40 plus homers by accident. He went to college for 4 years and made his debut at 24 years old. When people say "two words" it's always meant to be some kind of caution. I don't see a caution in a 25 year old guy who hits 40 homers, gets on base and scores runs. Saying Buhner level power output is pretty broad and that could apply to anyone who hits home runs but it's the combination of getting on base and scoring runs that make up Judge's game.

40 HR's by accident? When did I ever say that? I compared him to a guy who hit 40 home runs 3 times. Scoring runs is an ability that has almost nothing to do with the player scoring them. Yes a great base runner may add a couple runs per year over an average one, and a home run hitter obviously scores himself, but runs scored is basically an indicator of how good your teammates are.

But let's pretend I actually did say he's hitting 40 by accident. I DO know a number of players who did just that. Rico Petrocelli, Davey Johnson, Andre Dawson, Adrian Beltre, Roger Maris, and that's leaving off steroid suspects like Brady Anderson and Luis Gonzalez.

Note that a lot of these guys had power, but the difference between their best season and their second best season is HUGE, so I say it was an "accident," or a fluke.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

40 HR's by accident? When did I ever say that? I compared him to a guy who hit 40 home runs 3 times. Scoring runs is an ability that has almost nothing to do with the player scoring them. Yes a great base runner may add a couple runs per year over an average one, and a home run hitter obviously scores himself, but runs scored is basically an indicator of how good your teammates are.

But let's pretend I actually did say he's hitting 40 by accident. I DO know a number of players who did just that. Rico Petrocelli, Davey Johnson, Andre Dawson, Adrian Beltre, Roger Maris, and that's leaving off steroid suspects like Brady Anderson and Luis Gonzalez.

Note that a lot of these guys had power, but the difference between their best season and their second best season is HUGE, so I say it was an "accident," or a fluke.

Now, Scott- I always had hoped I would never see any steroid allegations or rumors linked to Luis, who led the league in Homers here in Columbus, GA while in the minors. I believe he may have 'charged something up' late in his career, but I thought that was what caused his wife to have triplets, not him to hit 57 dingers in a hot, very hitter-friendly park...of course, I could be wrong...Q: Did Boggs and Campaneris juice in their one big year?

...or did it just an anomaly?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

big difference when your one big year is 22 or 24 versus 57. I did also only label him a suspect!

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

big difference when your one big year is 22 or 24 versus 57. I did also only label him a suspect!

That depends on when you did it:


Campaneris hit 22 in 1970 ; 8 in 1972 ;

never more than 6 in his other 17 years.

22 was a jump of 275% over his next highest year of 8.



Boggs hit 24 in 1987 ; 11 in 1994 ;

never more than 8 in his other 16 years.

24 was a jump of 218% over his next highest of 11.



Gonzo's totals in Arizona were:

26,31,57,28,26,17,24, & 15

57 was a jump of 183% from his next highest of 31.


So, Gonzalez's 57, while certainly not in line with his normal yearly output, was proportionally closer to that than either of the others.

As to whether or not he juiced...I don't know...I'm just laying out the case for the possibility that there were statistical anomalies.


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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Now, Scott- I always had hoped I would never see any steroid allegations or rumors linked to Luis, who led the league in Homers here in Columbus, GA while in the minors. I believe he may have 'charged something up' late in his career, but I thought that was what caused his wife to have triplets, not him to hit 57 dingers in a hot, very hitter-friendly park...of course, I could be wrong...Q: Did Boggs and Campaneris juice in their one big year?

...or did it just an anomaly?

Boggs put on a home run hitting show during batting practice that was amazing. He chose not to hit home runs during games to keep his average as high as possible.

If there was a way of proving it there is not a single player in the last 60 years I would bet any money on as being completely clean of PEDs during their carrier.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Boggs put on a home run hitting show during batting practice that was amazing. He chose not to hit home runs during games to keep his average as high as possible.

If there was a way of proving it there is not a single player in the last 60 years I would bet any money on as being completely clean of PEDs during their carrier.

Boggs may have been completely clean, but can you say the same for all the chickens he consumed. Just fowl play, carry on.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Boggs may have been completely clean, but can you say the same for all the chickens he consumed. Just fowl play, carry on.

I never said my all time favorite player was clean. As someone with experience in farming I can 100% guarantee the chickens are pumped full of steroids and/or antibiotics.

[Peter_Spaeth]

If nothing else he has shown some mental resilience in apparently not let a devastating slump ruin him. Jay Buhner was a pretty good ballplayer, nothing wrong with ending up like him or a little better if that's what happens. It's odd, to me anyhow, that Judge has tons of walks but also tons of Ks. Maybe it's not that odd.