Looking for help identifying these three cards:

realbigfatdog · #1 10-25-2017, 04:03 PM

Thank you! I was only looking to correctly identify them, the monetary value is really not important to me. They are strictly for my own personal collection (I collect Yankees team sets), so I merely wanted to know what I had. I didn't pay all that much for them (about $65 combined), so no real worries there. The original seller had them listed as E121, but I was pretty sure that was incorrect. I also figured they probably were not Koester's cards since there were only players from the Giants and Yanks produced that year, and the seller had similar cards from other teams (like the Dodgers' Zack Wheat). That led me to believe that they were most likely W575-1's since they were strip cards and these are obviously cut (badly). I just couldn't find a checklist and the May(s) card had ne perplexed, as well. Thank you for digging for me, Bob. I really appreciate it.

BobC · #2 10-25-2017, 06:59 PM

I'm glad you didn't pay that much for them then. Just out of curiosity how thin do they feel to you? I have examples of both cards but, all the ones I have were graded and you literally can't tell the difference between the W575-1s and Koester cards in holders. I didn't feel like breaking them out just to compare the thickness of the two issues.

Are the ones you have, which are most likley W575-1s then, really paper thin-like or is there still some thickness and rigidity to them? If possible, do you have any other cards you would say the thickness is comparable to? Trying to pick up a little knowledge myself as I don't normally come across dealers local to me that have raw examples of both types of cards that I could just handle to make a comparison with. LOL

Thanks, and glad you're happy to add them to your collection.

Leon · #3 10-25-2017, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BobC

I'm glad you didn't pay that much for them then. Just out of curiosity how thin do they feel to you? I have examples of both cards but, all the ones I have were graded and you literally can't tell the difference between the W575-1s and Koester cards in holders. I didn't feel like breaking them out just to compare the thickness of the two issues.

Are the ones you have, which are most likley W575-1s then, really paper thin-like or is there still some thickness and rigidity to them? If possible, do you have any other cards you would say the thickness is comparable to? Trying to pick up a little knowledge myself as I don't normally come across dealers local to me that have raw examples of both types of cards that I could just handle to make a comparison with. LOL

Thanks, and glad you're happy to add them to your collection.

Great info and thanks for helping.,
The W575-1s in my collection aren't really paper thin. They aren't as thick as E121 but they aren't thin like T213-1 either. That is the way all of them I have handled have been..

BobC · #4 10-26-2017, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Great info and thanks for helping.,
The W575-1s in my collection aren't really paper thin. They aren't as thick as E121 but they aren't thin like T213-1 either. That is the way all of them I have handled have been..

Thanks Leon, I assumed they weren't paper thin, just never had a chance to hold a raw version of both in hand at the same to to really compare. What I've always felt/seen was that the W575-1s were more likely than not to be hand cut or trimmed when you see them, while an authentic Koester Bread card would normally be the listed dimensions of about 2" X 3-1/4". Listed as a "W" card, the W575-1s are considered "strip" cards but, not really sure if they came in strips/sheets for people to cut up. If so, that would definitely make sense for all the badly cut trimmed ones you normally see.

In the OP's case, he's just fortunate to have had the Mays spelling error card in the trio he acquired. Since Koester specifically only chose the Giant/Yankee players to be on the cards they distributed, you assume they would have paid attention to which cards they selected to give away, and obviously not made the mistake of handing out Mays cards with his last name misspelled. Without that Mays error card, it would not be so easy to determine if his cards were W575-1s or Koester Bread cards otherwise.

Leon · #5 10-28-2017, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BobC

Thanks Leon, I assumed they weren't paper thin, just never had a chance to hold a raw version of both in hand at the same to to really compare. What I've always felt/seen was that the W575-1s were more likely than not to be hand cut or trimmed when you see them, while an authentic Koester Bread card would normally be the listed dimensions of about 2" X 3-1/4". Listed as a "W" card, the W575-1s are considered "strip" cards but, not really sure if they came in strips/sheets for people to cut up. If so, that would definitely make sense for all the badly cut trimmed ones you normally see.

In the OP's case, he's just fortunate to have had the Mays spelling error card in the trio he acquired. Since Koester specifically only chose the Giant/Yankee players to be on the cards they distributed, you assume they would have paid attention to which cards they selected to give away, and obviously not made the mistake of handing out Mays cards with his last name misspelled. Without that Mays error card, it would not be so easy to determine if his cards were W575-1s or Koester Bread cards otherwise.

Hi Bob
Not sure you saw these before? These are W575-1s and are blank backed. These weren't distributed as strips as can be seen by the packaging.They are all exactly the same size, though the scan of 9 is disproportionate, and were not hand cut. I can't say for sure about any others. I suspect they were issued different ways but lean towards packaging like this. SGC graded them and told me they were not hand cut in their opinion. They put handcut on the flip and later said to send them back to revisit the designation. I haven't done it yet.

But they acknowledged they are not hand cut. In hand, and holding the whole stack, they are spot on, on size in relation to each other. They fit in the cellophane pack perfectly.

BobC · #6 10-29-2017, 07:10 PM

Leon,

Those look to be in really nice shape. Are the backs of all of them with some type of advertising, or just blank like they normally would be? Since those are so nice, if they are all for that specific advertiser you have shown the back for, I wonder if the factory/printer that produced them was approached to prepare them like that and therefore the nice cut on the cards. If so, you could have some really unique, uncatalogued cards there. Very nice in any instance!

Leon · #7 10-29-2017, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BobC

Leon,
Those look to be in really nice shape. Are the backs of all of them with some type of advertising, or just blank like they normally would be? Since those are so nice, if they are all for that specific advertiser you have shown the back for, I wonder if the factory/printer that produced them was approached to prepare them like that and therefore the nice cut on the cards. If so, you could have some really unique, uncatalogued cards there. Very nice in any instance!

They are blank back cards.

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