Steve Garvey

[Steve D]

With all due respect Tom, none of those players, with the possible exception of McGriff, Hodges and Hernandez, were better than Garvey.

To me, Garvey, as well as McGriff, Hodges and Hernandez, should be in the Hall of Fame.

Steve

[Peter_Spaeth]

His career stats fall (surprisingly) short, but for a significant period of time he was one of the dominant players in the game, so the argument can be made.

[uniship]

No doubt for a long while Steve Garvey was THE MAN.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Andres Gallaraga too i think should of gotten a better look but Mcgriff tops the list for players in the last 40 years..not garvey

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by Steve D

With all due respect Tom, none of those players, with the possible exception of McGriff, Hodges and Hernandez, were better than Garvey.

To me, Garvey, as well as McGriff, Hodges and Hernandez, should be in the Hall of Fame.

Steve

JAWS ranks Garvey as the 51st best 1B of all time. Behind all of the above players. A statistical argument could be made for every player on that list being better than Garvey.

I could also make the argument that Ron Fairly was Garvey's equal.

Tom C

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

JAWS ranks Garvey as the 51st best 1B of all time. Behind all of the above players. A statistical argument could be made for every player on that list being better than Garvey.

I could also make the argument that Ron Fairly was Garvey's equal.

Tom C

Well, the only JAWS I've ever heard of are the movie, Richard Kiel's James Bond character, and Ron Jaworski.

I also only compare players against their peers, look at the stats, and then whatever "intangibles" there are. So really, from your list, I would only compare Garvey to Hernandez. I would honestly induct both of them.

Steve

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by Steve D

Well, the only JAWS I've ever heard of are the movie, Richard Kiel's James Bond character, and Ron Jaworski.

I also only compare players against their peers, look at the stats, and then whatever "intangibles" there are. So really, from your list, I would only compare Garvey to Hernandez. I would honestly induct both of them.

Steve

How about Ron Fairly? Please take note of Garvey's terrible plate discipline versus Fairly's excellent plate discipline, and also the fact that Fairly's best years were spent on expansion teams where he didn't have the RBI opportunities that Garvey had. Career OPS+ is exactly the same for both. Really the difference between the two is Garvey's extensive post season career. Fairly was a .300 postseason hitter but didn't get the opportunities Garvey did.

If Garvey is a HOFer Fairly likely is as well.

Tom C

[btcarfagno]

How about Boog Powell? Much better hitter than Garvey. Solid defense as well. Certainly much better arm than candy armed Garvey.

Tom C

[btcarfagno]

George Scott? Maybe. Better peak than Garvey. Not quite as good career overall, but quite close.

Tom C

[BearBailey]

Garvey is a guy that in my opinion passed the eye ball test, when he retired I thought he would be a hall of famer. However, the older I get his stats just don’t stack up, really good player but without any milestone numbers people who never saw him play wouldn’t give him a second look based upon his numbers.