'Altered' vs 'Authentic' - confused

[scomeau]

Thanks again, Andrew and Gary

[drcy]

I agree that a condition grade of 'Authentic' is ambiguous.

I should add that there are scarce cases where there is so much restoration that there are questions about 'How authentic is it?" I'm not talking about trimming our touching up, but cases where, say, 40 percent of the item has been restored with foreign materials. And, of course, there are alteration of otherwise genuine items that are designed to change the identity and thus are forgeries (rare variations, T206 Magie, etc). Some genuine but badly broken ancient Indian Artifacts, such as stone arrowheads or knives, are rechipped into whole pieces, and many collectors in that area would consider these borderline forgeries-- or at least, not entirely authentic. Genuine ancient American Indian artifacts are commonly 'cleaned up,' so that's a collecting area were looking for restoration is common.

[scomeau]

Drcy,

I have a friend who is a long-time Indian artifact collector/dealer, and he shares your opinion.

It's a shame that such things undermine the fun in our hobbies. Ignorance might have been blissful in the days prior to huge prices and the extortion of grading.

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

Jonathan, What did the graders say about the minimum size not met label? That one has always baffled me.

Thanks

Lee Behrens

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Sterling Sports Auctions

Jonathan, What did the graders say about the minimum size not met label? That one has always baffled me.

Thanks

Lee Behrens

That is a card that shows no signs of trimming, but measures short. A factory miscut generally being the reason. There is a pretty nice looking cj joe Jackson in an authentic non altered holder for this reason.

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

What I don't get is that they give a number grade to oversized cards but will not put a number grade to a card that they deemed to be unaltered from the factory. That is why I am curious to what kind of response the graders would give.

Lee

[pokerplyr80]

Sorry thought that was a general question we typically see around here. Didn't notice it was from an auction house and about a specific issue.

[pokerplyr80]

Sorry thought that was a general question we typically see around here. Didn't notice it was from an auction house and about a specific issue.

[Leon]

I also think there should be equality in grading!! If it is unaltered and authentic then give it a grade!! Big or small. Small cards need love too, especially if unaltered. TPGs should use their noggins.

Originally Posted by Sterling Sports Auctions

What I don't get is that they give a number grade to oversized cards but will not put a number grade to a card that they deemed to be unaltered from the factory. That is why I am curious to what kind of response the graders would give.

Lee

[glynparson]

Originally Posted by Sterling Sports Auctions

What I don't get is that they give a number grade to oversized cards but will not put a number grade to a card that they deemed to be unaltered from the factory. That is why I am curious to what kind of response the graders would give.

Lee

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