Morris & Trammell Elected to HOF

[Jenx34]

I must be stupid here because I don't see how in the hell Ted Simmons belongs nor has a resume than Don Mattingly. The ONLY argument for Simmons is longevity. Basically Simmons stats give him about a 3 year advantage over Mattingly, yet it took him 7 more years to get there.

Mattingly had 9 Gold Gloves, 3 Silver Sluggers, an MVP, a batting title, 2 other top 5 MVP finishes... What Mattingly didn't have was longevity due to a back injury. And he didn't have a World Series Title.

Simmons was a very good catcher. Give him a bump because catcher production isn't typically as high as a 1B.

One can argue whether Mattingly belongs, but those that watched him regularly, know well his value was far greater than the stats showed. His defense was as good as it gets for any 1B ever. But I can't fathom an argument where Ted Simmons is closer to a HOFer than Mattingly.

[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by Jenx34

I must be stupid here because I don't see how in the hell Ted Simmons belongs nor has a resume than Don Mattingly. The ONLY argument for Simmons is longevity. Basically Simmons stats give him about a 3 year advantage over Mattingly, yet it took him 7 more years to get there.

Mattingly had 9 Gold Gloves, 3 Silver Sluggers, an MVP, a batting title, 2 other top 5 MVP finishes... What Mattingly didn't have was longevity due to a back injury. And he didn't have a World Series Title.

Simmons was a very good catcher. Give him a bump because catcher production isn't typically as high as a 1B.

One can argue whether Mattingly belongs, but those that watched him regularly, know well his value was far greater than the stats showed. His defense was as good as it gets for any 1B ever. But I can't fathom an argument where Ted Simmons is closer to a HOFer than Mattingly.

Gotta think when comparing players that are not in, you have to be at same position... Comparing Mattingly to Simmons, can't do it... Compare Mattingly to Garvey who gets in?

[packs]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

Gotta think when comparing players that are not in, you have to be at same position... Comparing Mattingly to Simmons, can't do it... Compare Mattingly to Garvey who gets in?

Mattingly gets my vote. Garvey got to play his whole career and he just didn't have it. Mattingly had his career taken from him by an injury. Anyone who ever saw Mattingly play in his prime knew what he was and can only wonder what would have been. There's no mystery with Garvey.

[chalupacollects]

Problem is Mattingly wasn't dominant long enough and Garvey is borderline... HOF can't be based on what ifs...putting either one is may open the door to hall of mediocrity. Neither was a McCovey or a Tony Perez...

[insidethewrapper]

A few positives for Morris . The decade of the 1980's, he had the most wins 162, next was 140. He was 3rd in k's behind only Nolan Ryan and Valenzuela, He had the most complete games at 133. and we all know his World Series performances and 1 No-Hitter. Hall of Fame ? But he was a great pitcher.

[btcarfagno]

With regard to wins as a stat.

Tell me which year this pitcher had more wins. Same pitcher. Same team. Consecutive years.

Year 1:

Team wins: 99
Pitcher ERA 3.00
Home runs allowed: 13
WHIP: 1.28
FIP: 3.46
Innings: 210

Year 2:

Team wins: 103
Pitcher ERA: 2.95
Home runs allowed: 26
WHIP: 1.23
FIP: 4.19
Innings: 238

Did the pitcher have:

A lot more wins in year 1?
A few more wins in year 1?
The same number of wins both years?
A few more wins in year 2?
A lot more wins in year 2?

Explain your answer.

[1952boyntoncollector]

i still think there should be a hall of fame within the hall of fame..

like first ballot's versus the other guys

[SAllen2556]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

With regard to wins as a stat.

Tell me which year this pitcher had more wins. Same pitcher. Same team. Consecutive years.

Year 1:

Team wins: 99
Pitcher ERA 3.00
Home runs allowed: 13
WHIP: 1.28
FIP: 3.46
Innings: 210

Year 2:

Team wins: 103
Pitcher ERA: 2.95
Home runs allowed: 26
WHIP: 1.23
FIP: 4.19
Innings: 238

Did the pitcher have:

A lot more wins in year 1?
A few more wins in year 1?
The same number of wins both years?
A few more wins in year 2?
A lot more wins in year 2?

Explain your answer.

I'd say he won a lot more in year 2 - like 10 more wins maybe. My explanation: I looked it up.

Yes, Morris is borderline at best, but you can use statistics to prove just about anything. Just ask my kids why it's statistically in my best interest to pay 25 grand a year for each of them to go to the University of Michigan vs. a college that costs less than half that.