Morris & Trammell Elected to HOF

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by Gnep31

Yes...absolutely!

The guy who only won 11 games shouldn't have given up the runs in the situations he did or else he probably would have more wins.

Stats cannot paint an accurate or true picture on how runs were given up. The person with the higher ERA might have given up runs late in games that were already decided. He might have gotten roughed up on a day or two his arm was on fire. ERA doesn't factor in the guy who eats up innings, but gives his team a chance to win every time he takes the ball.

As a coach I take winners over stats guys all day every day. I've had players and teammates who rack up stats but choke in big situations or big games and cost us wins. They can't make the game winning shot or get the big out when it really matters the most. Players and coaches want to be around winners not stats guys.

So in 1908 you would take 21 year old Nick Maddox over 20 year old Walter Johnson then? Maddox won 23 games. Johnson just 14. Maddox was the better pitcher. Correct?

[abothebear]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

So in 1908 you would take 21 year old Nick Maddox over 20 year old Walter Johnson then? Maddox won 23 games. Johnson just 14. Maddox was the better pitcher. Correct?

For 1908, this is a no-brainer. You take the 23 wins.

[kailes2872]

Originally Posted by abothebear

For 1908, this is a no-brainer. You take the 23 wins.

This is awesome! I just got a T206 Maddox (rubs hands together, laughs maniacally, and waits for value of the newly purchased Maddox card to exceed the big train...)

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by abothebear

For 1908, this is a no-brainer. You take the 23 wins.

So if you have those two pitchers switch teams what happens to the win totals of the pitchers?

Tom C

[abothebear]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

So if you have those two pitchers switch teams what happens to the win totals of the pitchers?

Tom C

Maddox wins 2 games less than he did for his original team because he started fewer games. Being so close to his hometown in Maryland, Nick would meet up with his old school chums and carouse, often being in no condition to take his turn on the Boundary Field mound.

Johnson wins four games then gets hit in the left orbital bone by a comebacker in the 7th inning of a game in mid-May. Walter battles blindness and chronic headaches for much of the rest of his life and never pitches again. But Pittsburg was ahead at the time of the accident and the team was able to finish out the win, so 5 wins.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by abothebear

Maddox wins 2 games less than he did for his original team because he started fewer games. Being so close to his hometown in Maryland, Nick would meet up with his old school chums and carouse, often being in no condition to take his turn on the Boundary Field mound.

Johnson wins four games then gets hit in the left orbital bone by a comebacker in the 7th inning of a game in mid-May. Walter battles blindness and chronic headaches for much of the rest of his life and never pitches again. But Pittsburg was ahead at the time of the accident and the team was able to finish out the win, so 5 wins.

Ouch. That's a very Piratey outcome by the way. They have WaJo in the fold and he never gets a chance to become WaJo.