I guess we have a market decision on Ali's RC

[Exhibitman]

Martin's a good guy. He sells a lot on eBay.

[GasHouseGang]

I guess you can call this an Ali rookie if you want, but it still doesn't seem like a legitimate "card" to me if it is cut from a sheet. Plus, even as a PSA9, the back doesn't look right because some of the letters get cut off at the top when removed from the sheet. Couldn't a magazine cut or poster cut from the same year qualify as a rookie? What if PSA refused to give this a numerical grade, would it still be called his rookie?

[Exhibitman]

For me yes I would still call it his rookie. There are tons of cut cards. Try the W section of the ACC. The structure of the sheet indicates an intent to cut. Each card is numbered and the effort is made to align the back bio with the front. Seems ‘cardy’ to me.

[samosa4u]

Take a look at the back of the card and what does it say? Hemmets "ournal." What the hell is an "ournal?" Oh yes, wait, the letter "J" is missing, right?

These were not meant to be cut out into cards and PSA should not be grading them, period!

[Mark Webster]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Take a look at the back of the card and what does it say? Hemmets "ournal." What the hell is an "ournal?" Oh yes, wait, the letter "J" is missing, right?

These were not meant to be cut out into cards and PSA should not be grading them, period!

PSA. A third party authenticator of cards and collectibles. So in my opinion it’s acceptable. As far as I’m concerned the issue is with the panel being cut!

[Exhibitman]

Hi Mark; good to hear from you. I agree.

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

The debate over boxers' rookie cards goes back to the dawn of man. We'll never all agree on one but it's always been a lot of fun to discuss it as long as emotions don't get in the way. That's never been the case before since there's never been real money on the table. Unfortunately, now there is and I think people are going to get territorial about this.

I never considered the Hemmett's (I don't even know if I'm spelling it correctly) a card. My opinion carries as much weight as my last fart. I also don't own a Hemmett's. Do I not consider it a card because I don't own one or so I not own one because I don't consider it a card? I don't know.

I'd much rather have one of the '64 or '65 cards. Give me something from a pack.

Arthur

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

Take a look at the back of the card and what does it say? Hemmets "ournal." What the hell is an "ournal?" Oh yes, wait, the letter "J" is missing, right?

These were not meant to be cut out into cards and PSA should not be grading them, period!

Some have the J, it's just a question of how well the printing was aligned.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Some have the J, it's just a question of how well the printing was aligned.

If the letter "J" is missing, then how did it get a PSA 9?

[GasHouseGang]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

If the letter "J" is missing, then how did it get a PSA 9?

That's what I was wondering. Can anything that misaligned on the back be a PSA 9? No regular card would get that grade.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

If the letter "J" is missing, then how did it get a PSA 9?

I can't speak for the grading standards, only for the fact that some have the J. Look on ebay, there is a guy who specifically touts his cards that way.