POLL: IN or OUT: YES or NO

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

no evidence that greenies improved statistics. But there is a ton of evidence that roids and HGH improved stats. No players had their best seasons after 35 until the roid era ad then suddenly 30 players did.

Aaron 1971 at age 37 had his highest marks for HR, OBP, SLG, OPS and OPS+.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Aaron 1971 at age 37 had his highest marks for HR, OBP, SLG, OPS and OPS+.

For this particular instance, I really believe you can believe in the MAN more than the STATS.

Isn't that refreshing?


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[RichardSimon]

No and No.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Aaron 1971 at age 37 had his highest marks for HR, OBP, SLG, OPS and OPS+.

one year is not an argument.

Lots of players have an outlying big year later in their careers and Hank had a pair of flukey high ISO years, (surrounded by years that were normal, so that seems unlikely that he only did greenies every other year?)

Plus using only one player is also fallacious. Bonds, Mac, Sosa, Palmeiro ...etc all posted long runs of their best numbers wayy late, they had double peaks.

Since baseball mandated testing did you know thee is no longer a peak at 28 like before? Now , on average so of course individuals may differ, players are peaking right away and declining by 28.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I was only responding to this:

No players had their best seasons after 35 until the roid era

I wasn't making a point about the effect of greenies.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I was only responding to this:

No players had their best seasons after 35 until the roid era

I wasn't making a point about the effect of greenies.

No players had sustained success at or above their peak years after ages 32 like the roids guys did. Is that pedantic enough for you?