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Old 12-24-2017, 02:48 PM
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Vintage is anything older than I am!
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I'd put the cutoff in the 1970-75 range. It will be quite a while before junk era cards will be considered vintage in my opinion. I see your point about production numbers, but to me vintage is more than just a certain number of years old. There has to be some element of desirability and rarity.
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When I was a kid ( 1990s) I was talking to a old time dealer. It was in Garfield NJ his name was Bob he had a mustache and was always smoking( yes in the card show ). I ask him what he thought and he said most people thought 1969 and back was vintage. He also told me that 1969 Topps WAS OVER PRODUCED. So I always just kept 1969 as the cut off for vintage. But I do agree that the 80s should be vintage in today’s world.
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I just got back into collecting again this year, so FWIW... I guess I always figured "vintage" was 1980 (or a case could be made for 1979).

Mostly because there was just one company, AND we never considered the cards worth much money. That is until the price guides came out and were around (at least in my circles) in the early 80's.

But, 1973 really makes more sense because at least some of the cards were more rare.
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When I was a kid ( 1990s) I was talking to a old time dealer. It was in Garfield NJ his name was Bob he had a mustache and was always smoking( yes in the card show ). I ask him what he thought and he said most people thought 1969 and back was vintage. He also told me that 1969 Topps WAS OVER PRODUCED. So I always just kept 1969 as the cut off for vintage. But I do agree that the 80s should be vintage in today’s world.
BTW -- The Garfield show is still going strong to this day.

I can picture Bob now --- yep in those days some people smoked IN the card show. Such a different world.

I probably saw you at some of those local Garfield shows when I would come up to visit

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BTW -- The Garfield show is still going strong to this day.

I can picture Bob now --- yep in those days some people smoked IN the card show. Such a different world.

I probably saw you at some of those local Garfield shows when I would come up to visit

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I go to the Garfield show occasionally, probably 4-6x a year. Still every other weekend. There used to be 2-3 shows just in North NJ every weekend (and each day of the weekend), now Garfield is pretty much alone. There are a couple over towards Edison too, and of course the White Plains show, a small NYC show and monthly LI shows. But that's pretty much it.

Part of me misses all the activity, but the other part likes that I can get the cards I couldn't afford then for less than they were 25-30 years ago.
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BTW -- The Garfield show is still going strong to this day.

I can picture Bob now --- yep in those days some people smoked IN the card show. Such a different world.

I probably saw you at some of those local Garfield shows when I would come up to visit

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Lol I know it’s still my favorite show. We probably did at least cross paths as I always attend that show. There was two other bobs is I remember. One that was under the stairs . The other was bob with the big beard that sold packs and boxes. I the the beard retired and I see him there from time to time. He was my absolute favorite person to buy Packs from and probably still is.
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The term should absolutely change as the years progress. 50 years from now, will you not call 88 donruss vintage?

1991 Topps was the last year of the soft, pulpy paper stock. So at some point, I believe this will be the accepted cut off year.

As for right now, I consider 85 and back to be vintage. 86 and forward is modern to me because of the drops in set value.
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Vintage is anything older than I am!


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To me the modern era started with double knit uniforms, so pre-72ish or so.
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I like the division on the board, pre war, post war , and post 1980. I hate the word vintage almost as much as the word poppage
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I like the division on the board, pre war, post war , and post 1980. I hate the word vintage almost as much as the word poppage
I hear you but nothing is worse than poppage.
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I hear you but nothing is worse than poppage.
It's an interesting question, when I started collecting (and was aware of the organized hobby) was probably about 1980, and vintage was 1960. Do kids today think 1998 is vintage?

I guess it reminds me how much I've aged and how different this hobby to me than it was back then. Finding "old" cards back then was exotic, now you can get pretty much any Topps card throughout their history online.

I remember I met a kid who had 1970-71 cards, I gave up just about anything to get those exotic cards.
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It's an interesting question, when I started collecting (and was aware of the organized hobby) was probably about 1980, and vintage was 1960. Do kids today think 1998 is vintage?

I guess it reminds me how much I've aged and how different this hobby to me than it was back then. Finding "old" cards back then was exotic, now you can get pretty much any Topps card throughout their history online.

I remember I met a kid who had 1970-71 cards, I gave up just about anything to get those exotic cards.
When my girls hear me talk about the 90s, they look at me like I am dead. It is all relative.

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I hear you but nothing is worse than poppage.
I will concede you this point Jeff. I did say almost
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I like the division on the board, pre war, post war , and post 1980. I hate the word vintage almost as much as the word poppage
Two different categories of neologisms, but I agree that vintage should only be applied to wines.
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I also hate it when I have to go to a dictionary to find out what someone here is talking about
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I've always considered Ts all the way to Goudeys in their own individual category, and I've always though of 50s-75 as vintage. However, now that I'm only collecting "vintage" I am thinking that 50s-65 should be vintage. I know everything until 73 was in series. But commons from like 66-75 (the end of what I used to consider vintage) are next to worthless. You can get them for like 10 cents apiece nowadays.
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I also hate it when I have to go to a dictionary to find out what someone here is talking about
My bad, Al - I should have just opined that vintage had always been perfectly happy as just a noun and should never have been misappropriated for use as an adjective in our hobby.
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