Auction oddities: Using the PSA Auction Results site

[Jenx34]

Thanks for the thread. I've done a little looking around and have seen some differences when comparing recent results between the PSA and VCP databases. One example is 1966 Topps Mantle. PSA's auction prices show two recent sales of $130 & $145 on PSA 4's. VCP doesn't show either of those sales. Both were on Ebay in the month of December. On the flip side, PSA missed a $112 sale also in December.

So I ask, how good can VCP be if it is missing sales, regardless of whether they are high or low? I also know that while VCP indicates in their FAQ that their database is updated almost immediately, I have seen sometimes a few weeks before a card I sold appears.

If these are software programs tied to ebay, how can their be such variances?

Lastly, I also noted a much higher price on another card (I don't remember which one it was) on PSA's new page and noticed it was a 7 rather than a 4 or 5. So if you see something that looks out of the norm, be sure to click and actually view the original ebay listing with pictures.

[swarmee]

Here's an interesting downgrade.
1933 Goudey #3 Hugh Critz. Cert #01103184

Sold in 2005 as a PSA 7 at Memory Lane
https://memorylaneinc.com/site/bids/bidplace?itemid=535

Currently shows up in database as PSA 4.5

[swarmee]

DATE	PRICE	GRADE	LOT #	AUCTION HOUSE	AUCTION / SELLER	TYPE	CERT

8/8/2008	$11,027.38	8	82	Goodwin and Co. Auctions	1952 Topps Set	Auction	11115921

11/10/2010	$853.00	8	169	SCP Auctions	SCP Auctions November 2010 Internet Auction	Auction	11115921

Ouch.

Same flipper also probably lost $2500 on this one:

8/8/2008	$6,113.53	8	103	Goodwin and Co. Auctions	1952 Topps Set	Auction	04097724

11/10/2010	$3,586.00	8	187	SCP Auctions	SCP Auctions November 2010 Internet Auction	Auction	04097724

Bloodbath:

8/8/2008	$19,199.50	8	104	Goodwin and Co. Auctions	1952 Topps Set	Auction	05098553

11/10/2010	$1,517.00	8	188	SCP Auctions	SCP Auctions November 2010 Internet Auction	Auction	05098553

[pclpads]

Results are 7+ years old for the SCP items(s). From your post, looks like SCP sold the same Zernial card 3x in the same auction on the same day / date?

[swarmee]

Oh, yeah, I get that. If you look, those three cards (and actually a BUNCH more) were bought in the same Goodwin auction and then consigned two years later to SCP where they all fell drastically. There were more I spotted but didn't feel like linking. Maybe it would be a good case study disproving the people that don't think high-grade vintage ever loses ground. Just because 8 is the Top Pop today doesn't mean it will be next month...

Yes, there are some data issues. I report them when I see them so PSA can take them out. I probably reported 20 errors today while browsing 50 different card pages. I went back and checked to see if the ones I reported last couple of weeks have been removed/fixed and a few already were. I wish there was a record of which cards you've reported errors for and whether or not PSA changed them yet.

[The-Cardfather]

Based on what I've read here and by a misreported price on a card that I purchased on eBay, I don't have a lot of confidence in PSA's numbers.

I recently made an offer of $600.00 on a 1960 Eddie Mathews PSA 9 offered for sale on eBay at $649.95. My offer was accepted and the transaction went smoothly. (Yes. I know I overpaid.) However, PSA is reporting the purchase price as the original $649.95.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/192418387887?rmvSB=true

Does anyone know if Vintage Card Prices numbers are more accurate?

[swarmee]

Thanks for letting me know about Best Offers Accepted not being correctly logged by PSA. I will see that they get that information. Usually watchcount shows the proper Best Offer value, but eBay may not be accurately providing it to PSA (or VCP for that matter).

[The-Cardfather]

Originally Posted by The Cardfather

Based on what I've read here and by a misreported price on a card that I purchased on eBay, I don't have a lot of confidence in PSA's numbers.

I recently made an offer of $600.00 on a 1960 Eddie Mathews PSA 9 offered for sale on eBay at $649.95. My offer was accepted and the transaction went smoothly. (Yes. I know I overpaid.) However, PSA is reporting the purchase price as the original $649.95.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/192418387887?rmvSB=true

Does anyone know if Vintage Card Prices numbers are more accurate?

Originally Posted by swarmee

Thanks for letting me know about Best Offers Accepted not being correctly logged by PSA. I will see that they get that information. Usually watchcount shows the proper Best Offer value, but eBay may not be accurately providing it to PSA (or VCP for that matter).

Just to clarify......
I didn't submit a "Best Offer" because that wasn't an option. I simply sent the seller a message via eBay offering him $600.00. He then sent me an "offer" (to purchase for $600.00). If I remember correctly, the offer expired in 24 or 48 hours.

[Jenx34]

Originally Posted by The Cardfather

Based on what I've read here and by a misreported price on a card that I purchased on eBay, I don't have a lot of confidence in PSA's numbers.

I recently made an offer of $600.00 on a 1960 Eddie Mathews PSA 9 offered for sale on eBay at $649.95. My offer was accepted and the transaction went smoothly. (Yes. I know I overpaid.) However, PSA is reporting the purchase price as the original $649.95.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/192418387887?rmvSB=true

Does anyone know if Vintage Card Prices numbers are more accurate?

I've found it sometimes takes awhile but the prices from PSA and VCP tend to synch over time. I've seen some not on one or the other so its not a matter of one of them gets the info quicker. In the case of your card, I'm sure how your transaction went with the private message/direct offer had to do with it. VCP doesn't have your purchase recorded yet. See the pics.