What are the next Million dollar cards?

[joshuanip]

Originally Posted by glchen

1985 Star Michael Jordan PSA 10 (yes, I'm predicting that one day, PSA will start grading this card again)

My understanding is that they don’t grade because someone got ahold of the printing plates? So there were authentic fakes?
If the case I doubt they will restart.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by joshuanip

My understanding is that they don’t grade because someone got ahold of the printing plates? So there were authentic fakes?
If the case I doubt they will restart.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If they haven't after all these years, I don't see why you think this would change? I am sure they have considered and rejected the idea multiple times.

I thought I remember reading on the CU forum that it was a myth that there are printing plates out there that someone has, which they can use to print more cards. If PSA does decide that it really is a myth about the printing plates, they may decide to start holdering the cards. Right now, Beckett is the only legitimate company holdering the cards, and even though the high grade ones routinely sell for thousands of dollars, there has not been a flood of them in the market. (FYI, I also do not currently own any right now.)

[joshuanip]

Originally Posted by glchen

I thought I remember reading on the CU forum that it was a myth that there are printing plates out there that someone has, which they can use to print more cards. If PSA does decide that it really is a myth about the printing plates, they may decide to start holdering the cards. Right now, Beckett is the only legitimate company holdering the cards, and even though the high grade ones routinely sell for thousands of dollars, there has not been a flood of them in the market. (FYI, I also do not currently own any right now.)

I don’t think it was a myth. This was the reason the PSA gal told me when I submitted star cards to be slabbed.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by joshuanip

My understanding is that they don’t grade because someone got ahold of the printing plates? So there were authentic fakes?
If the case I doubt they will restart.

That is essentially correct. A fellow collector and I were buying the '84-'85 Star Jordans circa 1991, and rather quickly observed that out of the original stated 4,000 print run, about 14,000+ appeared to have survived. It was very clear that more were being run off with the original plates, and one dealer in my area could get them easily if you had the bucks. Taft may actually believe his story, but it simply doesn't jive with what was actually going on in the early '90's. PSA stopped grading them shortly after that, and the matters stated above appear to have been the reason why.

Regards,

Larry

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

That is essentially correct. A fellow collector and I were buying the '84-'85 Star Jordans circa 1991, and rather quickly observed that out of the original stated 4,000 print run, about 14,000+ appeared to have survived. It was very clear that more were being run off with the original plates, and one dealer in my area could get them easily if you had the bucks. Taft may actually believe his story, but it simply doesn't jive with what was actually going on in the early '90's. PSA stopped grading them shortly after that, and the matters stated above appear to have been the reason why.

Regards,

Larry

How were you able to observe that?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

That is essentially correct. A fellow collector and I were buying the '84-'85 Star Jordans circa 1991, and rather quickly observed that out of the original stated 4,000 print run, about 14,000+ appeared to have survived. It was very clear that more were being run off with the original plates, and one dealer in my area could get them easily if you had the bucks. Taft may actually believe his story, but it simply doesn't jive with what was actually going on in the early '90's. PSA stopped grading them shortly after that, and the matters stated above appear to have been the reason why.

Regards,

Larry

Multiple people have told me the reason PSA stopped grading is not that new ones were being run off printing plates, but that they had inadvertently graded some "Type II" cards -- preproduction samples never intended for distribution -- and were concerned they could not tell the difference.

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

That is essentially correct. A fellow collector and I were buying the '84-'85 Star Jordans circa 1991, and rather quickly observed that out of the original stated 4,000 print run, about 14,000+ appeared to have survived. It was very clear that more were being run off with the original plates, and one dealer in my area could get them easily if you had the bucks. Taft may actually believe his story, but it simply doesn't jive with what was actually going on in the early '90's. PSA stopped grading them shortly after that, and the matters stated above appear to have been the reason why.

Regards,

Larry

Well it certainly appears BGS knows how to grade them. A small fraction of those 14,000 examples have been slabbed by BGS.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Well it certainly appears BGS knows how to grade them. A small fraction of those 14,000 examples have been slabbed by BGS.

How many 101s has Beckett slabbed?

[MattyC]

664. Then factor in regrades. So safely I'd say 600.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by MattyC

664. Then factor in regrades. So safely I'd say 600.

Hard to believe there are 14000 if only 600 are graded.

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Hard to believe there are 14000 if only 600 are graded.

My thinking exactly, Peter. No way.