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[Peter_Spaeth]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Jacques-Pla...UAAOSwOMlauxZx

http://candimanauctions.com/LotDetai...nventoryid=125

I am guessing there are more I didn't look all that hard.

Maybe folks just bid and don't pay, I don't know. It just doesn't look so good to see stuff back on ebay from the AH a week or two after an auction.

BTW the link shows no sale but the listing on the auction site shows this.
Premier Auction 118 Jacques Plante 1960-61 Parkhurst Hockey #53 - Montreal Canadiens - EX+ $25.00 $53.00 OVER

[AddieJoss]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Jacques-Pla...UAAOSwOMlauxZx

http://candimanauctions.com/LotDetai...nventoryid=125

I am guessing there are more I didn't look all that hard.

Maybe folks just bid and don't pay, I don't know.

I can understand the 1986 Topps Tiffany cards that received no bid being on Ebay. That must mean the “consingor” wanted them to have thier “friend” sell them on EBay for them.

The other cards, like the Aaron with bids should have been paid for and shipped. If they weren’t paid for, the auction house should publish the names of those that didn’t pay for those lots. Then the consignor would have the choice of reconsigning to the next auction.

This makes it seem that these were never consigned as they are up on Ebay. If I consigned to an Auction house, I wouldn’t want them putting it up on a Ebay for non payment.

This leaves a wide window that the winner bidder was not a true bidder on these lots and was more of a house account or a proxy house account which is why they are now on Ebay from the same auction house. The optics on this do not look good at all.

Cory Weiser

[Batpig]

Now I'm sure it's just a coincidence that there were so many non payers.

I'll stand by my previous statement in the old thread that everyone deserves a chance and I was going to keep an open mind. Now that that's over with, I'm glad I didn't bid in the first auction and won't be bidding in any others.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Batpig

Now I'm sure it's just a coincidence that there were so many non payers.

I'll stand by my previous statement in the old thread that everyone deserves a chance and I was going to keep an open mind. Now that that's over with, I'm glad I didn't bid in the first auction and won't be bidding in any others.

I am sure the brothers will be back after the weekend to reassure us about yet another red flag.

[Jenx34]

Originally Posted by Batpig

Now I'm sure it's just a coincidence that there were so many non payers.

I'll stand by my previous statement in the old thread that everyone deserves a chance and I was going to keep an open mind. Now that that's over with, I'm glad I didn't bid in the first auction and won't be bidding in any others.

Makes one wonder if all those non-payers were due to shill bidding by friends and family of the righteous Battles brothers....

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Jenx34

Makes one wonder if all those non-payers were due to shill bidding by friends and family of the righteous Battles brothers....

Probably mom bidding up her consignments.

[AddieJoss]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Probably mom bidding up her consignments.

1.) Unless the names of the “non-bidder” are disclosed, I’m assuming it is shill bids of the house.
2.) A little quick to have the cards up on Ebay, and what does the consignor get? The Ebay price minus the Ebay and PayPal fees, minus the “friend” shipping it fee, minus a vig, even though the consignor consigned for a non-Ebay auction? Why not run them again in the next auction and call out any non-payment bidders?

Cory Weiser

[Peter_Spaeth]

Cory he doesn't take Paypal. I have yet to run across another ebay seller who doesn't take Paypal. Daniel, care to explain?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Batpig

Now I'm sure it's just a coincidence that there were so many non payers.

I'll stand by my previous statement in the old thread that everyone deserves a chance and I was going to keep an open mind. Now that that's over with, I'm glad I didn't bid in the first auction and won't be bidding in any others.

Agreed...I was a fool and tried to give them a chance. Seeing the shenanigans these guys are pulling...I'm done. Ebay needs to pull the plug on the jokers.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Maybe someone won Hank at a bargain price but didn't pay and that's why the card was back on ebay within days. You never know, Bob, anything is possible, right?

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Maybe someone won Hank at a bargain price but didn't pay. You never know, Bob, anything is possible, right?

Yes...anything is possible....burn me once...shame on you.....I'm done.

[tsalem]

The Ebay scans are the exact same scans in the auction listings. Clear on the Aaron and the Fran Tarkenton. I would find this odd as well

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Yes...anything is possible....burn me once...shame on you.....I'm done.

Well, it's either a non-paying bidder () or the house shilled up the auction because it wasn't going high enough. How many people are willing to believe the first explanation?

[PiratesWS1979]

Here's the bid history of the '54 Aaron.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...p2471758.m4792

1853 items bid on and 48% with sipeemen1. Sounds like someone who has influence w/ eBay should contact them about related shill bidding and other illegal practices.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by PiratesWS1979

Here's the bid history of the '54 Aaron.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...p2471758.m4792

1853 items bid on and 48% with sipeemen1. Sounds like someone who has influence w/ eBay should contact them about related shill bidding and other illegal practices.

And only 16 retractions.

[cardsnstuff]

Originally Posted by AddieJoss

I can understand the 1986 Topps Tiffany cards that received no bid being on Ebay. That must mean the “consingor” wanted them to have thier “friend” sell them on EBay for them.

The other cards, like the Aaron with bids should have been paid for and shipped. If they weren’t paid for, the auction house should publish the names of those that didn’t pay for those lots. Then the consignor would have the choice of reconsigning to the next auction.

This makes it seem that these were never consigned as they are up on Ebay. If I consigned to an Auction house, I wouldn’t want them putting it up on a Ebay for non payment.

This leaves a wide window that the winner bidder was not a true bidder on these lots and was more of a house account or a proxy house account which is why they are now on Ebay from the same auction house. The optics on this do not look good at all.

Cory Weiser

Excellent observation; I am guessing in time Candiman Auctions will get lost in the battlefield of deception.

[botn]

Originally Posted by cardsnstuff

Excellent observation; I am guessing in time Candiman Auctions will get lost in the battlefield of deception.

In time???? That ship sailed upon the creation of Candiman but that will not stop collectors from bidding in their auctions.