1948 Leaf Satchel Paige - blank back - on eBay....

Meenman · #1 04-09-2018, 07:38 AM

All the winning bidders have paid for their cards and they have been shipped.
At first my cards weren't getting enough money because they weren't graded. Now they are selling for to much. Don't bid on my auctions, they are doing just fine without you
Just don't slander me.The bottom line is that they are good cards and some people want them and have paid for them. Supply and demand.

Zact · #2 04-09-2018, 07:43 AM

Bobby is a different Paige- was noting the string bidding to the top on the same bidder who retracted on the 50 Berra- they already �won� a 53 Paige for $370

Leon · #3 04-09-2018, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Meenman

All the winning bidders have paid for their cards and they have been shipped.
At first my cards weren't getting enough money because they weren't graded. Now they are selling for to much. Don't bid on my auctions, they are doing just fine without you
Just don't slander me.The bottom line is that they are good cards and some people want them and have paid for them. Supply and demand.

They might have paid but they are shady. I just went and looked at the very first card I found of yours listed. It's a 1950 Bowman Sammy Baugh. Here is your top bidder's history below..:See those retractions, and how much he has bid with you? That looks shady to me. SHADY SHADY SHADY...now you can sue.

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 427
Items bid on: 138
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 52% Help
Bid retractions: 3
Bid retractions (6 months): 4

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Meenman · #4 04-09-2018, 08:04 AM

Slander is saying that I am shill bidding. Of course it hasn't been exposed yet it's not true. That's the point.To say I am involved in shill bidding and to have no proof of that is against the law. Anyone can accuse someone of anything. But if you accuse them in public without proof and it's not true is unethical and illegal.I am running a honest EBay auction site and I wll defend myself when accused of being dishonest.This is B'S. I have no control of anyone bidding on my auctions. I have been accused of shill bidding and so have some of my bidders. You are slandering multiple people because it's not true. Bring forth the evidence or stop.

Leon · #5 04-09-2018, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Meenman

Slander is saying that I am shill bidding. Of course it hasn't been exposed yet it's not true. That's the point.To say I am involved in shill bidding and to have no proof of that is against the law. Anyone can accuse someone of anything. But if you accuse them in public without proof and it's not true is unethical and illegal.I am running a honest EBay auction site and I wll defend myself when accused of being dishonest.This is B'S. I have no control of anyone bidding on my auctions. I have been accused of shill bidding and so have some of my bidders. You are slandering multiple people because it's not true. Bring forth the evidence or stop.

There are about 500 lawyers on this board. I can pretty much assure you nothing that has been said (at least by me) is actionable. I never said you or anyone shill bid. I am just saying that the bidding pattern of your top bidder, on the card I pointed out, has a SHADY bidding pattern with you. It is the truth.
However you want to take that is up to you but it's a fact. And if I were bidding I would be very careful.

PiratesWS1979 · #6 04-09-2018, 08:27 AM

Actually, I won the '53 Paige at $380 not the *3402* bidder at $370. It arrived double boxed and extremely well protected. Also if you'd look at the bid history of the early auctions, you would see that bidder too....and wasn't that when everyone was saying they were leaving "money on the table"?

Zact · #7 04-09-2018, 08:46 AM

Yes I see that *3402 was the underbidder at $375 on the 53 Paige-take it for what it�s worth- maybe you paid more than you had to

bobbyw8469 · #8 04-09-2018, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Zact

Yes I see that *3402 was the underbidder at $375 on the 53 Paige-take it for what it�s worth- maybe you paid more than you had to

Yes, they paid more than they had to. I don't see $380 there. I will look at the bidding history and see what transppired.

PiratesWS1979 · #9 04-09-2018, 09:03 AM

You could be right, I might have paid a whole $25 more for a nicely centered '53 Paige. The point is there is shill bidding all over eBay as proof by the 100's of threads about it from PWCC to probstein123 to any seller who has a string bidder.

Meenman came on here to explain the Leaf Paige blank back and hopefully took your advice and is having it authenticated. Now you have gone for "leaving money on the table" to he's a shill bidder. After 20 years and 17,000+ feedback, he is just defending himself because I am 99% positive his business has never been abused like this.

Leon · #10 04-09-2018, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by PiratesWS1979

You could be right, I might have paid a whole $25 more for a nicely centered '53 Paige. The point is there is shill bidding all over eBay as proof by the 100's of threads about it from PWCC to probstein123 to any seller who has a string bidder.

Meenman came on here to explain the Leaf Paige blank back and hopefully took your advice and is having it authenticated. Now you have gone for "leaving money on the table" to he's a shill bidder. After 20 years and 17,000+ feedback, he is just defending himself because I am 99% positive his business has never been abused like this.

Actually, to me, that is not the point. I don't think the seller is shilling. I just think he probably has some bidders playing games and it looks bad. He could block them to alleviate it. Do we need to do another poll of how many honest people have 4 bid retractions in 6 months? That number would be close to 0.

bobbyw8469 · #11 04-09-2018, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Actually, to me, that is not the point. I don't think the seller is shilling. I just think he probably has some bidders playing games and it looks bad. He could block them to alleviate it. Do we need to do another poll of how many honest people have 4 bid retractions in 6 months? That number would be close to 0.

I've never had a bid retraction, and the only auction I never paid for was where I was a victim of a bid retractor within the last hour of an auction, who ironically, another had bid me up to my max and not a penny more. I passed. And technically, if you retract a bid, you are "supposed" to bid the correct amount immediately after the retraction. That seldom happens though.

calvindog · #12 04-09-2018, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Actually, to me, that is not the point. I don't think the seller is shilling. I just think he probably has some bidders playing games and it looks bad. He could block them to alleviate it. Do we need to do another poll of how many honest people have 4 bid retractions in 6 months? That number would be close to 0.

I've not retracted a bid in 20 years. Funny, that.

T205 GB · #13 04-09-2018, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Meenman

Slander is saying that I am shill bidding. Of course it hasn't been exposed yet it's not true. That's the point.To say I am involved in shill bidding and to have no proof of that is against the law. Anyone can accuse someone of anything. But if you accuse them in public without proof and it's not true is unethical and illegal.I am running a honest EBay auction site and I wll defend myself when accused of being dishonest.This is B'S. I have no control of anyone bidding on my auctions. I have been accused of shill bidding and so have some of my bidders. You are slandering multiple people because it's not true. Bring forth the evidence or stop.

Are you saying the Mays and other cards that have been pointed out by myself and other board members have not been shilled? We have heard this story so many times as a community. I am innocent blah blah blah. Fine then prove it because at this point the evidence is stacked against you.

bnorth · #14 04-09-2018, 02:23 PM

It could be OPTION C. Someone sees the chance of a lifetime to get all these raw cards to get graded and make a fortune. They want to chase as many others away as possible. So they start string bidding and making a few bid retractions to be able to buy them even cheaper.

This type of bidding has been discussed on here before with more than one person admitting to doing it.

Just an option. Could also be a non-nefarious bidder. After all we have heard about those also.

pokerplyr80 · #15 04-09-2018, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by T205 GB

Are you saying the Mays and other cards that have been pointed out by myself and other board members have not been shilled? We have heard this story so many times as a community. I am innocent blah blah blah. Fine then prove it because at this point the evidence is stacked against you.

I don't think it's fair to ask someone to prove they didn't do something like this, and in not even sure it's possible with the information Ebay provides. Blocking bidders who retract bids in his auctions would be nice to see though and a sign of good faith.

T205 GB · #16 04-09-2018, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I don't think it's fair to ask someone to prove they didn't do something like this, and in not even sure it's possible with the information Ebay provides. Blocking bidders who retract bids in his auctions would be nice to see though and a sign of good faith.

Why not? They want us to prove our findings right?

Also just like other eBay auctioneers previously discussed on this board they would be stupid to block any bidders that help the bottom line unless you can prove 100% who it is, and we know how that works.

bobbyw8469 · #17 04-09-2018, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by T205 GB

Why not? They want us to prove our findings right?

Also just like other eBay auctioneers previously discussed on this board they would be stupid to block any bidders that help the bottom line unless you can prove 100% who it is, and we know how that works.

Bid retractors are usually more trouble than they are worth. Same as non-paying bidders. I have patience for neither......

JollyElm · #18 04-09-2018, 04:13 PM

Someone may want to do a web search for "slander vs. libel." Just saying.

pokerplyr80 · #19 04-09-2018, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by T205 GB

Why not? They want us to prove our findings right?

Also just like other eBay auctioneers previously discussed on this board they would be stupid to block any bidders that help the bottom line unless you can prove 100% who it is, and we know how that works.

It's just difficult, if not impossible, for him to prove he's not involved. I agree with your sentiment though and as I mentioned earlier I won't be participating in this seller's auctions.

steve_a · #20 04-15-2018, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Meenman

All the winning bidders have paid for their cards and they have been shipped.
At first my cards weren't getting enough money because they weren't graded. Now they are selling for to much. Don't bid on my auctions, they are doing just fine without you
Just don't slander me.The bottom line is that they are good cards and some people want them and have paid for them. Supply and demand.

Almost all the winning bidders... I won an auction for a blank back Leaf Henrich for around $260, paid immediately. The transaction was cancelled and the card relisted BIN at 3K. Not exactly sure what is up with this guy but thought the data point should be out there. Something off here. Sweet Paige tho-

chalupacollects · #21 04-15-2018, 07:16 PM

Funny the bidder a**u with the 3402 feed back has won a number of auctions from last batch of cards listed from this seller and is winning and has bid on most of the cards listed now - except for Satchel Paige card...

However, with all those wins his/her feedback hasn't increased.

Doesn't that seem strange???

egbeachley · #22 04-15-2018, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chalupacollects

Funny the bidder a**u with the 3402 feed back has won a number of auctions from last batch of cards listed from this seller and is winning and has bid on most of the cards listed now - except for Satchel Paige card...

However, with all those wins his/her feedback hasn't increased.

Doesn't that seem strange???

Stranger is that despite *3402* being a great customer, either winning or bidding up many of his cards, the seller didn't give him the courtesy of leaving feedback.

bobbyw8469 · #23 04-15-2018, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by steve_a

Almost all the winning bidders... I won an auction for a blank back Leaf Henrich for around $260, paid immediately. The transaction was cancelled and the card relisted BIN at 3K. Not exactly sure what is up with this guy but thought the data point should be out there. Something off here. Sweet Paige tho-

Cancelling auctions...shilling up their auctions....nothing new to see here.....business as usual.

murphy8276 · #24 04-16-2018, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by steve_a

Almost all the winning bidders... I won an auction for a blank back Leaf Henrich for around $260, paid immediately. The transaction was cancelled and the card relisted BIN at 3K. Not exactly sure what is up with this guy but thought the data point should be out there. Something off here. Sweet Paige tho-

Anxiously awaiting Meeman's reply...

Meenman · #25 04-16-2018, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by murphy8276

Anxiously awaiting Meeman's reply...

I originally contacted this board to talk about the Paige blank back. I will not sit here and defend how I run my auctions or that I shill bid, list raw, send cards to reputable auction houses, cancell auctions, block bidders, trim cards, lie about the story of the cards, making mistakes in my auction descriptions, ect. ect. Mostly negative. I never asked anyone on this site or anywhere to bid on my auctions. They are what they are. Like my Grandfather told me my whole life "Don't worry about DUMB SH*T". Im very busy listing and delivering these cards to the right winning bidders. It takes time and concentration to get it all correct and I don't always get it right. Thanks to all who are bidding on my cards and have given me words of encouragement and valuable information. But I'm done.

ullmandds · #26 04-16-2018, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Meenman

I originally contacted this board to talk about the Paige blank back. I will not sit here and defend how I run my auctions or that I shill bid, list raw, send cards to reputable auction houses, cancell auctions, block bidders, trim cards, lie about the story of the cards, making mistakes in my auction descriptions, ect. ect. Mostly negative. I never asked anyone on this site or anywhere to bid on my auctions. They are what they are. Like my Grandfather told me my whole life "Don't worry about DUMB SH*T". Im very busy listing and delivering these cards to the right winning bidders. It takes time and concentration to get it all correct and I don't always get it right. Thanks to all who are bidding on my cards and have given me words of encouragement and valuable information. But I'm done.

Seriously???? Quack...quack!

Leon · #27 04-16-2018, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Meenman

I originally contacted this board to talk about the Paige blank back. I will not sit here and defend how I run my auctions or that I shill bid, list raw, send cards to reputable auction houses, cancell auctions, block bidders, trim cards, lie about the story of the cards, making mistakes in my auction descriptions, ect. ect. Mostly negative. I never asked anyone on this site or anywhere to bid on my auctions. They are what they are. Like my Grandfather told me my whole life "Don't worry about DUMB SH*T". Im very busy listing and delivering these cards to the right winning bidders. It takes time and concentration to get it all correct and I don't always get it right. Thanks to all who are bidding on my cards and have given me words of encouragement and valuable information. But I'm done.

Why did you cancel Bobby's winning bid? How is that ethical?

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jhs5120 · #28 04-16-2018, 09:29 AM

On a side note, the 1951 Bowman Mantle card I purchased graded a PSA 5 MC. He probably should have gotten it graded before selling.

bobbyw8469 · #29 04-16-2018, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

Why did you cancel Bobby's winning bid? How is that ethical?

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It wasn't mine Leon. It was Steve A's. He won it for $294, then the auction got cancelled, the payment refunded, and the card relisted for $3,000. Very unethical if you ask me.

Leon · #30 04-16-2018, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

It wasn't mine Leon. It was Steve A's. He won it for $294, then the auction got cancelled, the payment refunded, and the card relisted for $3,000. Very unethical if you ask me.

Long thread. Sorry I had the incorrect victim.

T205 GB · #31 04-16-2018, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Meenman

I will not sit here and defend how I run my auctions or that I shill bid, list raw, send cards to reputable auction houses, cancell auctions, block bidders, trim cards, lie about the story of the cards, making mistakes in my auction descriptions, ect. ect.

Steve_A says different and so does your shady ass bid history and constant changing of stories. You came here wanting help and are now butt hurt that you got caught! You are the only one with a shovel here so don't blame us for the hole you dug.

npa589 · #32 04-16-2018, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Meenman

Like my Grandfather told me my whole life "Don't worry about DUMB SH*T"

When the Grandfather makes an appearance as a final rebuttal, the verdict is all too predictable.

Picture this:

Meenman: "Grandpa, I love you."
Grandfather: "Don't worry about dumb sh*t."

ezez420 · #33 05-01-2018, 04:59 PM

Actually it is this guy that is using multiple accounts. Puts his phone number in listing then gives stories how everyone in the world is contacting him.

https://www.ebay.com/usr/truckeemeadows

He pretends he does not know anything in some listings then he wins items in auctions and resells. The Ruth postcard was won in LOTG. Cigar box my ass.

T205 GB · #34 04-16-2018, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by murphy8276

Anxiously awaiting Meeman's reply...

WHY? It will be the same excuses they made before in the thread when all this was bought to attention.

If the Paige is in fact a hand cut card then it deserves nothing more than an A. SGC will also grade a blank back numerically if it was issued that way from the factory! Seller states that the card was cut from a sheet that was saved. By this admission there is know way an old lady who knows nothing about her late husbands cards could have passed this knowledge to the seller. Also where are the rest of the cards from the sheet? Nothing is making sense now that more of the story is coming out.

EDIT: I see now that the description has been updated again. Way to many changes to story. Good luck to the seller on the sale of this impeccable card!

ezez420 · #35 05-01-2018, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Meenman

All the winning bidders have paid for their cards and they have been shipped.
At first my cards weren't getting enough money because they weren't graded. Now they are selling for to much. Don't bid on my auctions, they are doing just fine without you
Just don't slander me.The bottom line is that they are good cards and some people want them and have paid for them. Supply and demand.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/AWESOME-CIG...kAAOSwRQla5oWj

Exhibitman · #36 05-01-2018, 05:28 PM

Absolutely beautiful vg-ex 1959 Mantle for sale...

bobbyw8469 · #37 05-02-2018, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Absolutely beautiful vg-ex 1959 Mantle for sale...

Agreed...that bottom left corners and those two rips or whatever they are on the right side border would make me not too happy that I spent 4 figures on that card.

ezez420 · #38 05-02-2018, 07:09 AM

Yeah also read the write up in that 1959 Mantle....it references the blank back 1948 Paige. Multiple stories...multiple id�s.

savedfrommyspokes · #39 05-02-2018, 08:30 AM

The truckeemeadows ID shows the items are in Reno, NV, while the main ID shows the items are located in OH

murphy8276 · #40 05-02-2018, 03:50 PM

Now we know why he came here to "defend" the first time. He doesn't want Battlefield's Grandmother's name dragged through the mud just because BF's parents and sons were ___fill in blanks__. LOL

steve B · #41 05-02-2018, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Agreed...that bottom left corners and those two rips or whatever they are on the right side border would make me not too happy that I spent 4 figures on that card.

Not to mention the trimming.

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