W517 set issued in 1930, not 1931, and reissued in 1932

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by triwak

Great stuff, and very interesting! I have the Dodgers version of George Kelly, and it is also the "green" tinted variety - which I've heard carries a bit of a premium. Is it possible that ALL of the green tinted cards are from the 1932 reissue??

Ken, the Green tinted cards are somewhat commonly found, and I believe are available for all cards issued.

However, I have never previously considered the tint on all the scarcer 1932 variation cards, which the George Kelly Dodgers is an example. Briefly searching, I only have located green tints for all the team change variation cards: Chalmer Cissell-Cleveland, George Kelly-Brooklyn, Chick Hafey-Cincinnati, Lefty O'Doul-Brooklyn.

To me it makes sense that these much tougher to come by variations would only be in one tint, because of a limited production run.

Does someone else have a different tint for any of these variation cards?

Brian

[Leon]

Nice thoughts on the subject, Brian. I wish I could add to your exhaustive research but no such luck. All I can do is add a few pics of some W517s I used to have... Good luck in the quest for further information. I have always thought the bright red ones are rather striking. The bottom card, a trimmed ad back Ruth is correct size (well, minus borders) though the scan is larger.

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Ken, the Green tinted cards are somewhat commonly found, and I believe are available for all cards issued.

However, I have never previously considered the tint on all the scarcer 1932 variation cards, which the George Kelly Dodgers is an example. Briefly searching, I only have located green tints for all the team change variation cards: Chalmer Cissell-Cleveland, George Kelly-Brooklyn, Chick Hafey-Cincinnati, Lefty O'Doul-Brooklyn.

To me it makes sense that these much tougher to come by variations would only be in one tint, because of a limited production run.

Does someone else have a different tint for any of these variation cards?

Brian

[h2oya311]

Excellent research! You are correct that it doesn’t impact any rookie designations by moving the date back one year. Thanks for the thoughtful and diligent post!

[bxb]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Ken, the Green tinted cards are somewhat commonly found, and I believe are available for all cards issued.

To me it makes sense that these much tougher to come by variations would only be in one tint, because of a limited production run

Does someone else have a different tint for any of these variation cards?

Brian

Here's my Kelly variation. I would say yellow to light brown tint, no green:

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1527530150

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by bxb

Here's my Kelly variation. I would say yellow to light brown tint, no green:

http://www.net54baseball.com/attachm...1&d=1527530150

Hi Larry, thanks for showing your Kelly card. It brings up what tinting means for this set. For example green tinted cards, like the Ruth and the strip of 3 cards shown by Leon, are designated as such due to the coloration of the player photo, especially evident in the photo's background, and not the cardstock, which is typically found in a creamy, lightish brown like your example, which is indeed a nice card. It is to be noted that this greenish tinting can range quite widely between cards, such as seen in your Kelly and the Kelly shown previously by Ken.

Brian

[triwak]

Yeah Larry, I would definitely say your's is the sepia version. Interesting that your's has the "Strike Out" on top, while my green tinted one does not (I don't think our top borders are that different). Strange set, indeed!!

[brianp-beme]

Hi Ken, I do believe his more greenish than sepia. Here is an example of a sepia tint card. Tinting is always a tough one to determine...I have had my issues in the past with the gray and the green tints of the D310 set.

Brian

[triwak]

Brian, upon further inspection, I believe you're correct. Larry's IS more greenish.

[brianp-beme]

Nothing new to add, but I gave this thread a bump just because I was recently thinking about the W517 set and thought others who hadn't seen this thread might think it semi-interesting.

Brian

[thatkidfromjerrymaguire]

Hi Brian,

Thanks for bumping this thread...I missed it the first time around.

Interesting observation on the potential initial release followed up by an "update" release in 1932.

I'm currently slowly trying to put this one together as I find it to be a pretty interesting set. On top of the true variations (team names, numbering) as well as the color tints and stock variations, you can also find them with and without the baseball terms at the top (strike out, 1st Base, etc.) as well as mini versions. Not to mention the ones that have a colored stripe on the back at the bottom since they were part of the "Championship Draw" game at candy stores.

I'm just trying to complete a basic set on a limited budget with whatever varieties I can. While most of the time I try to go after cards in VG/EX to EX condition, I'll take just about any condition for these.

Here's a couple pictures of my progress so far. I have about 15 cards so far. It's nice to have one Ruth checked off the list, but still need the SECOND Ruth, the Gehrig, the Hack Wilson, the Hornsby, etc., etc. It's going to take me awhile

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