SGC mistake :-(

[bbcard1]

Grading is completely a rigged game and it amazes me that few people realize or care.

Sorry to hear that buddy. Hopefully you're not out any real money and the loss is only the what could have been, which still sucks but can be chalked up to a learning experience. If you collect long enough things like this are going to happen but keep at it you'll likely win one too

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

Sorry to hear that buddy. Hopefully you're not out any real money and the loss is only the what could have been, which still sucks but can be chalked up to a learning experience. If you collect long enough things like this are going to happen but keep at it you'll likely win one too

Agreed....."A" cards are akin to buying a lottery ticket.

[rats60]

If a grading company can't tell if a card is trimmed or not, that is very concerning. What are you paying them for?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by rats60

If a grading company can't tell if a card is trimmed or not, that is very concerning. What are you paying them for?

what do they know/see that you/I can't/don't?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

what do they know/see that you/I can't/don't?

If we are paying them for a service, they should be able to do it. A card is either trimmed or not. If they can't determine that, then they are worthless. Putting a number grade on a card is an opinion. It is understandable that one guy might say a card is a 7 and another an 8. Hopefully they have multiple experienced graders putting that number on high dollar cards. With the dollars people are paying for graded cards, there needs to be a minimum level of competence from the grading companies.

[cammb]

The buyer of the card had nothing to loose since it was an A already. I would do the same. Unfortunately when I did it, it came back as an A. LOL

[AGuinness]

Originally Posted by rats60

Putting a number grade on a card is an opinion.

This is it. They should be referred to as Third Party Opinions (TPOs), not TPGs. "Grade" has a connotation that it is non-negotiable, and while the graders are using a set of criteria to determine a grade, there is enough subjective opinion involved that it makes grading cards very negotiable.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by rats60

If we are paying them for a service, they should be able to do it. A card is either trimmed or not. If they can't determine that, then they are worthless. Putting a number grade on a card is an opinion. It is understandable that one guy might say a card is a 7 and another an 8. Hopefully they have multiple experienced graders putting that number on high dollar cards. With the dollars people are paying for graded cards, there needs to be a minimum level of competence from the grading companies.

Agreed 100%.

[biggsdaddycool]

Originally Posted by rats60

If a grading company can't tell if a card is trimmed or not, that is very concerning. What are you paying them for?

Bingo.


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[vintagebaseballcardguy]

rats60: "If a grading company can't tell if a card is trimmed or not, that is very concerning. What are you paying them for?"

Originally Posted by biggsdaddycool

Bingo.


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I agree with this sentiment. Stuff like this sucks a little more fun out of the hobby and simply steers it down the road of cards being labeled as commodities and not much more. Very sad...

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[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by rats60

If a grading company can't tell if a card is trimmed or not, that is very concerning. What are you paying them for?

I do believe Your statement is correct!

So I'd Like ta look abit inta this issue with this particular Card of Mr Cobb.
I'm fairly familiar wit E90-1's, I've seen my share & have been bringing them to my home fir quite sum time now!

Well, first off I noticed the High Top Left & Low Bottom Left White Borders of Mr. Cobbs Card Being The Same Height. This is just a check that my mind has become accustomed ta makin! Doesn't mean the Card is "Trimmed", Howevar this is a Very Good Tell Tale Only because this particular Cut isn't as Common among the E90-1 Set But Certainly Not the Whole Truth to the Cards Health.

Usually if the Top Left width has more White Border the Lower Left has less, and it's of Course the Same fir the Right side of the Card Top to Bottom.

I had many conversations about this same issue wit this Set. Just Because a Card has been Factory Cut Odd, Perfect or just down right Freakish, Doesn't necessarily mean it's JUST "Authentic"... If You Can't get inta the the Holder is another Reason Some Cards Lose Value! No Grade, No Holder Leaves the Customer weary wit of possible foul play.

I understand where the OP is Coming from! I've a few Stories that have Only made me be more Diligent wit my Prewar Education...
"At Sum Point, GettiN Spank'd is Part of Any Real Education"

So Congratulations!!!
You've Punch'd a Very Real Ticket in Your PreWar Education...
I'll wager this Doesn't Evar Happen Again iN the OP's World!!!
(This is All Tongue in Cheek Kinda Stuff ~ Please Don't Evar Take What I Have ta Say wit Any Kind of Intellect ~ I Love bein a Mullagan : )

Here's a few Cards that will show a bit of what I mention'd!

[ullmandds]

Unfortunately mistakes do occur. Similar thing happened to me with a high grade e106 I sent in to SGC...came back A...I sold it...they resent...came back like a 6 I think. I was pissed. Life goes on.

Sadly with many buying only slabbed cards there's no way one can become versed at detecting alterations when a card is in a slab!

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Unfortunately mistakes do occur. Similar thing happened to me with a high grade e106 I sent in to SGC...came back A...I sold it...they resent...came back like a 6 I think. I was pissed. Life goes on.

Sadly with many buying only slabbed cards there's no way one can become versed at detecting alterations when a card is in a slab!

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.....And you still love SGC right Pete? I know sending it to PSA was not an option even though there's potential double or triple resale value....

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.....And you still love SGC right Pete? I know sending it to PSA was not an option even though there's potential double or triple resale value....

Interesting considering it was just pointed out that PSA made the exact same error on the Wallace.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

Interesting considering it was just pointed out that PSA made the exact same error on the Wallace.

Not at all Dan, PSA is human as well, absolutely. What I get sick and tired of is hearing about how great SGC is on this forum, how corrupt PSA is, and most of the SGC supporters say, "I love the SGC holders (really?), they are more consistant than PSA, and I dont care about resale value, just the card... Really? How much sense does that make? What percentage of members on this board value their money? Answer....100%.

[chalupacollects]

I may be wrong but couldn't you at one time have had a card slabbed as authentic only without paying extra for the numerical grade? This may be a case where original slabber did that to save a few bucks and just protect the card...

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

Grading is completely a rigged game and it amazes me that few people realize or care.

+1

[Piratedogcardshows]

That sucks. I had a similar yet less costly lesson when I first got back into Vintage. Lately its been the other way around with trying to cross higher grade cards and them coming back as A.

[Peter_Spaeth]

From what I know there are countless cards that pass through various grades, ncluding A, before ending up in their final and best holders. It doesn't mean things are rigged, it means they are very imperfect.

[slidekellyslide]

Who's to say they didn't get it wrong the second time? Doesn't matter though, once it gets a grade it ain't ever coming out of that holder.

[barrysloate]

Grading is very subjective and as Peter said very imperfect.

Yet grading companies all use a numerical system that gives the illusion of great accuracy. It's supposed to make us believe that TPG's are capable of assessing a card's grade with incredible precision and consistency. Of course, they can't.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

Grading is completely a rigged game and it amazes me that few people realize or care.

+1

when their motto is it's only a opinion they can not be held accountable.