A Question About Stains...

[JollyElm]

Since I've been asked if this thread is referring to a particular card, I'll spill the beans.

My question was more of a general appraisal of the situation, not perfectly specific. The actual card in question was a 1968 #280 Mickey Mantle graded a PSA 7 ST.

Here is a list of a bunch of straight PSA 7 sales from the past couple of months:

DATE PRICE
6/25/2018 $295.00 7 362355049949 eBay probstein123 Auction 29010693
6/24/2018 $336.99 7 263757761262 eBay emoncards Auction 90223198
6/14/2018 $415.00 7 142821778318 eBay pwcc_auctions Auction 23960047
6/8/2018 $370.00 7 282993806728 eBay tc.8787 Buy It Now 25619735
6/7/2018 $325.00 7 253649975328 eBay azsportsrelics Best Offer 21002103
6/5/2018 $330.00 7 332664729906 eBay chgocubs74 Auction 19978737
6/4/2018 $377.65 7 123152349659 eBay diamondcardboard Buy It Now 29010693
5/27/2018 $315.00 7 312139110876 eBay og60jb32 Auction 07174140
5/21/2018 $432.52 7 153022007174 eBay savannahgator Auction 05042097
5/16/2018 $294.00 7 209 Mile High Card Company Extra Innings May 2018 Auction 29010693
5/15/2018 $330.00 7 132612041941 eBay gregmorriscards Auction 28636439
5/15/2018 $300.00 7 292565095758 eBay texasholdemtom Buy It Now 01517820
5/13/2018 $350.00 7 372287903567 eBay caughtlooking2000 Buy It Now 19978737
5/13/2018 $300.79 7 142775541615 eBay 808resell Best Offer 27636349
5/7/2018 $397.77 7 192499380537 eBay prestonwms34 Buy It Now 27045150
5/6/2018 $350.00 7 332635796118 eBay pean32 Auction 15345337
5/4/2018 $425.00 7 192507525159 eBay scotts_vintage_cards Buy It Now 28183467
4/24/2018 $299.99 7 302714157002 eBay daisywoodyemma Buy It Now 22165975
4/16/2018 $411.99 7 352323923652 eBay pwcc_auctions Auction 28710441

These average out at $350 (with a low of $294 and a high of $432.52) and the lowest straight 7 BIN available on ebay is for $379.99.

After exchanging some messages with the seller (and studying the scans), I feel quite confident that the stains are the sort of thing that could be/should have been easily removed with a pair of your wife's (or your own??) pantyhose.

The card is in an older slab and the centering isn't ideal, but I was able to pick it up for a cool $200, which made it quite worthwhile to me. Unless it turns out I really screwed the pooch, I'll post better/clearer scans when it arrives.

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[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Since I've been asked if this thread is referring to a particular card, I'll spill the beans.

My question was more of a general appraisal of the situation, not perfectly specific. The actual card in question was a 1968 #280 Mickey Mantle graded a PSA 7 ST.

Here is a list of a bunch of straight PSA 7 sales from the past couple of months:

DATEPRICE
6/25/2018$295.007362355049949eBayprobstein123Auction290 10693
6/24/2018$336.997263757761262eBayemoncardsAuction902231 98
6/14/2018$415.007142821778318eBaypwcc_auctionsAuction23 960047
6/8/2018$370.007282993806728eBaytc.8787Buy It Now25619735
6/7/2018$325.007253649975328eBayazsportsrelicsBest Offer21002103
6/5/2018$330.007332664729906eBaychgocubs74Auction19978 737
6/4/2018$377.657123152349659eBaydiamondcardboardBuy It Now29010693
5/27/2018$315.007312139110876eBayog60jb32Auction0717414 0
5/21/2018$432.527153022007174eBaysavannahgatorAuction05 042097
5/16/2018$294.007209Mile High Card CompanyExtra Innings May 2018Auction29010693
5/15/2018$330.007132612041941eBaygregmorriscardsAuction 28636439
5/15/2018$300.007292565095758eBaytexasholdemtomBuy It Now01517820
5/13/2018$350.007372287903567eBaycaughtlooking2000Buy It Now19978737
5/13/2018$300.797142775541615eBay808resellBest Offer27636349
5/7/2018$397.777192499380537eBayprestonwms34Buy It Now27045150
5/6/2018$350.007332635796118eBaypean32Auction15345337
5/4/2018$425.007192507525159eBayscotts_vintage_cardsBu y It Now28183467
4/24/2018$299.997302714157002eBaydaisywoodyemmaBuy It Now22165975
4/16/2018$411.997352323923652eBaypwcc_auctionsAuction28 710441

These average out at $350 (with a low of $294 and a high of $432.52) and the lowest straight 7 BIN available on ebay is for $379.99.

After exchanging some messages with the seller (and studying the scans), I feel quite confident that the stains are the sort of thing that could be/should have been easily removed with a pair of your wife's (or your own??) pantyhose.

The card is in an older slab and the centering isn't ideal, but I was able to pick it up for a cool $200, which made it quite worthwhile to me. Unless it turns out I really screwed the pooch, I'll post better/clearer scans when it arrives.

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Nice Mantle and a pretty good buy! I could easily live with that card for sure, especially for about $150 less. Nice pick up!

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[JollyElm]

For anybody still tuning in...

I received the card today and it is exactly as described. Just a small amount of gum/wax residue in front of the Mick's (get ready for a ten dollar word) philtrum. I messed around with the contrast and what not in photoshop to really make it plainly visible.

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This coulda/shoulda/woulda been removed quite easily before the TPG got their hands on it. Too bad. Perhaps PSA should create a new qualifier (WX or GM) to denote these type of harmless anomalies. Calling them stains is just plain wrong. A stain (on front anyway) is the result of someone spilling their coffee on a card, NOT having easily wiped away gum residue there. Two completely different things. Somebody get Joe Orlando on the phone!

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

For anybody still tuning in...

I received the card today and it is exactly as described. Just a small amount of gum/wax residue in front of the Mick's (get ready for a ten dollar word) philtrum. I messed around with the contrast and what not in photoshop to really make it plainly visible.

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This coulda/shoulda/woulda been removed quite easily before the TPG got their hands on it. Too bad. Perhaps PSA should create a new qualifier (WX or GM) to denote these type of harmless anomalies. Calling them stains is just plain wrong. A stain (on front anyway) is the result of someone spilling their coffee on a card, NOT having easily wiped away gum residue there. Two completely different things. Somebody get Joe Orlando on the phone!

You made a nice deal on that card. I was hoping you would show it off. Thanks!

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[jchcollins]

Nice card, and I see nothing wrong with it. Hope you were able to remove the wax. I do think especially in mid-grade - that there are a lot of still very nice vintage cards to be had with qualifiers that make them turn out to be hugely discounted. I recently got a '53 Topps Warren Spahn that was graded PSA 5 (MC). It was definitely OC (which doesn't bother me) but whether or not truly MC was debatable. It has a smooth surface and sharp corners. How many 5's from '53 have sharp corners? I got it at least $30 cheaper than other non-qualified PSA 5's I had looked at. Feels like a deal to me.